• cm0002@lemmy.world
        524·
        5 days ago

        We should do a bunch of them with varying non-Tankie instances

        Like programming.dev or lemmy.blahaj.zone

        Or maybe even better, have a small table at the bottom with their focuses

        • Guaragaito (he/they)@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
          411·
          5 days ago

          Yeah. join-lemmy.org unfortunately isn’t great because it often points to random semi dead instances.

          Something like,

          The instance you join doesn’t matter much — because you can access all content no matter what instance you are on — but it can be nice to be on an instance that shares you interests and values, because you will have to conform to the rules of that instance. Think of it like your clan — it’s like your email being yourname@yourworkplace — you can still email everyone else and see their emails, but it signals something about you, and it has different rules.

          Here are a couple options:

          General Purpose:

          • discuss.online (hosted US)
          • lemm.ee
          • lemmy.cafe
          • sh.itjust.works (hosted Canada)

          Interests:

          • mander.xyz (Science)
          • programming.dev (Programming)
          • infosec.pub (Cybersecurity)
          • lemmynsfw.com (Porn)

          Diversity:

          • lemmy.blahaj.zone (LGBTQ+)

          Regions/Langauges:

          Ideology:

          Please copypaste my comment and add instances / improve it

          • Blaze@lemmy.dbzer0.comOP
            27·
            5 days ago

            I like the idea, but people have said several times that choosing an instance is a barrier for them.

            I usually go with

            "Lemmy has 42k monthly active users

            Feel free if you have any questions"

              • jaybone@lemmy.world
                8·
                5 days ago

                I’ve been thinking of switching instances.

                But I think part of the problem is the domain names on so many instances are so odd. Lemmy.world is very clean and easy to tell someone verbally, as opposed to say sopudi.xvz or dbzer0 or blahaj.zone.

                I suppose “discuss.online” isn’t such a bad name. And “midwest.social” but people who are not in the Midwest might not feel like they identify with that geographically.

                • Serinus@lemmy.world
                  71·
                  5 days ago

                  Lemmy.world is also the most reliable and the smoothest experience.

                  I strongly have the opposite opinion. Let people start on Lemmy.World and once they have experience (like you), they can move to where they want.

                  They’re an actual non-profit org out of the Netherlands with professional hosting.

                  Federation is a feature like divorce is a feature. It’s extremely important that it exists and is accessible. Not everybody needs to do it. Other servers are a fine option if you know what you’re doing and are willing to deal with more issues OR if there’s a compelling reason (such as the various regional servers).

                  When federation between lemm.ee and lemmy.world is behind by an hour or two, where do you think users will have a better experience? When 90% of their content is now a couple hours older, that’s a worse experience.

                  And spreading people out doesn’t really fix anything. It just puts more stress on federation technology. If you spread out all the users, Federation becomes a much harder to manage many to many relationship between all the servers, instead of primarily being a one to many relationship.

                  In short, if you spread out the users equally, suddenly every instance begins to have federation issues with each other, and everyone has a worse experience. With a bigger “main” instance, the majority of users are less affected by federation issues, and the issues are less common.

                  The regional servers have more of a balance here. 90% of their content may be old, but the 10% they are up to date with are the things closest to them, most important to them, and maybe in their language.

                  I do appreciate having several general use instances. I just don’t want to send newbies there who will generalize their experience to all of Lemmy and the Fediverse.

                • Alk@sh.itjust.works
                  3·
                  5 days ago

                  Didn’t even mention mine. For a brand new user, they don’t know what the fuck is going on there.

            • Leraje@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
              5·
              5 days ago

              I mean, why not go totally targeted? If there are people here who still have reddit accounts then tailor the graphic for the sub you post in. If its an lgbtqia+ sub, suggest Blahaj, if its a tech sub suggest programming.dev, if its a piracy or data hoarder sub db0 etc etc.

              • Blaze@lemmy.dbzer0.comOP
                4·
                4 days ago

                Oh indeed, but usually it’s on /r/RedditAlternatives so I have no idea what the person I’m talking to is like

                Also that way my message can work for lurkers too

          • chad@sh.itjust.works
            2·
            4 days ago

            Whatever happened to Beehaw? Did they defederate so much to the point that they’re not really relevant to other instances? I feel like they had an application process and were just generally walled off.

          • Kecessa@sh.itjust.works
            1·
            5 days ago

            But it’s not true that your instance doesn’t matter and you can see everything no matter your instance…

    • grue@lemmy.worldEnglish
      441·
      5 days ago

      To be fair, it was apparently posted in r/anarchocommunism, so I’d just chalk it up to knowing your audience. At least it was just .ml, and not grad or hexbear!

    • cm0002@lemmy.world
      273·
      5 days ago

      More than a little concerning, it’s happened plenty of times before. People see that BS on the Tankie Triad and then leave thinking Lemmy is just a bunch of tankies

      Sometimes they try another non-Tankie instance and realize that we’re not all like that, but I’m sure a majority never return always thinking that all of Lemmy is “that Tankie hangout” or worse, a Voat 2.0

    • Allonzee@lemmy.world
      2811·
      5 days ago

      Capitalism destroyed our government, captured our constitution, and is literally ending the world (for humans, don’t worry it’ll be fine in a few million years and it’ll be like we never existed, thank goodness for that).

      I find comedy in people likely here due to the greed rot of Spez wanting to go public and now fondling billionaire balls still, here on Lemmy like digital refugees in the wake of capitalism breaking promises to and destroying a community to increase private profit, going “ewww commies and socialists.”

      Credit where it’s due, the capitalist’s Orwell game is God tier.

    • Trebuchet@lemm.ee
      52·
      5 days ago

      Who cares, just get them onboarded and we can deal with orientation later

      • cm0002@lemmy.world
        94·
        5 days ago

        Because they’ll onboard see the Tankie bullshit and go “oh it’s just Voat 2.0 :/” and leave before ever making it to orientation

        • Trebuchet@lemm.ee
          34·
          5 days ago

          I think you’re overestimating the repulsion/ attraction of the tankies. Besides, there’s more to .ml than a love of authoritarian socialism (i assume)

          • cm0002@lemmy.world
            82·
            5 days ago

            Besides, there’s more to .ml than a love of authoritarian

            Not really, back in the day yea, but over the past year as other comm’s have grown on other instances their influence has been waning and all that’s left is the Tankie ideology

            Programming.dev has taken over for FOSS and programming topics in general, other instances are taking over memes, and I’m even seeing more and more non-.ml privacy subs rise

            If you look at MAUs, even the .ml memes comm (once THE most popular comm) doesn’t crack the top 10 anymore. Not a single .ml comm does

  • niketunic@lemmy.world
    117·
    5 days ago

    i left yesterday after 12 years. joined lemmy. the internet was a lot cooler before it was run by billionaires and ass kissers who are intimidated by billionaires.

    fuck em all

    • Telorand@reddthat.com
      17·
      5 days ago

      When you’ve settled in, consider joining a smaller instance! Just because it has “Lemmy” in the name doesn’t mean it’s official or good. We all federate together, so you can still join communities hosted on other instances.

      • niketunic@lemmy.world
        11·
        5 days ago

        thank you! still wrapping my head around the “instances” thing but i think i’m starting to get it

        • danc4498@lemmy.worldEnglish
          5·
          5 days ago

          I’ve been here a while, and don’t have any desire to check out other instances. I just know that if Lemmy.world goes under, or its management starts fucking around, there are plenty of places I can go.

          Leaving Reddit was not as simple.

    • Rentlar@lemmy.ca
      12·
      5 days ago

      Welcome, glad you could make it! I hope you find this to be a cool place.

      For best results, subscribe to communities you want to have a dedicated feed for, and block communities, instances and users that aren’t worth your time, since there is the occasional jerk like you might find anywhere on the internet.

      • samus12345@lemm.eeEnglish
        9·
        5 days ago

        since there is the occasional jerk like you

        Hey!

        might find anywhere on the internet.

        Oh.

    • pelespirit@sh.itjust.works
      11·
      5 days ago

      I’m going to repeat what I’ve been saying a lot lately. The default is “active.” If that gets boring (it probably will), switch to “hot,” “new,” and “top 6 hours” to get a more vibrant experience. The search engine is confusing at first, but is pretty good.

    • db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com
      5·
      5 days ago

      Excellent. Every long term power redditor exiting is a good blow to reddit. They’re left with all the lurkers who just want to consume content so they’ll have to rely more and more on ai slop until people realize it’s all fake.

    • Thales@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      7·
      5 days ago

      Welcome!

      The web UI is accessible on any device and there are plenty of apps as well such as Sync and Voyager.

        • njordomir@lemmy.world
          6·
          5 days ago

          Fellow baconreader refugee here. I use Jeboa and Eternity alternatingly. They were both good and I was never able to choose. baconreader was a great tool for research into other peoples experiences, knowledge, and opinions. Also the memes etc. I’m glad threaded convos live on via Lemmy.

    • Captainautism@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
      4·
      5 days ago

      My account is 14 years old, and I’m almost to the my line where I’m going to torch it. The censorship is getting bad!

      I do miss the Reddit from 10-14 years ago. So sad that it’s gone. It was truly amazing.

      • inbeesee@lemmy.world
        8·
        5 days ago

        I don’t know how the French are able to rally in real life and put everything on the line to push back fascism. I know I should do something real to fight back, but like, I’ve got a lot going on ya know? Maybe I’ll be rallied by the time atrocities have already happened, but I hope not.

        • tino@lemmy.world
          7·
          5 days ago

          We have unions, a variety of political parties and many organisations who have decades, even a century of experience on how to organise rallyes. The only thing common people have to do it show up. And still, most French won’t go even if they sympathise with the message (I almost never do it).

        • UristMcHolland@lemmy.world
          83·
          5 days ago

          The main difference being that France is 248,573 mi² (643,801 km2)

          The contiguous United States is 3,119,000 mi² (8,080,464.3 km²)

          France also has a 3.5x higher population density

          Inhabitants/km²

          • France: 124.4

          • United States: 35.2

          • ByGourou@sh.itjust.works
            62·
            4 days ago

            The country’s population density doesn’t change anything to protest, it’s a cultural thing. People only live in cities anyway why would having huge empty fields affect protests ?

            And there are plenty of denser countries which fight way less.

        • Elgenzay@lemmy.ml
          42·
          5 days ago

          I saw a post on here the other day where someone was complaining that their coworkers “don’t care” about the current political climate and after they elaborated, they were describing people who do care but weren’t actively spearheading a demonstration. I don’t know if they expect them to go stand in traffic or what.

          I give monthly donations to nonprofits that I like and email my state representatives when EFF or Fight for the Future tells me to but I’ve also got a life to live. Just stay informed, vote/petition, donate if you can, but live your life. You can only do so much.

          • inbeesee@lemmy.world
            3·
            4 days ago

            I appreciate reminding me that taking the most extreme action is not the only way to respond here. It’s hard to not see Luigi and immediately think ‘that’s actually doing something right there!’ being engaged counts

    • spicehoarder@lemm.eeEnglish
      9·
      5 days ago

      Plot twist: it’s a ploy by reddit to get extremists off their platform and on to Lemmy

  • umbraroze@lemmy.world
    29·
    4 days ago

    It’s a little bit dramatic, it’s a little bit wordy.
    Yup, it probably is a genuine thing from the source: certainly, it was written by a redditor.

    “Rage, rage against the dying of the light.”

    • ameancow@lemmy.worldEnglish
      114·
      4 days ago

      Yeah, this is a terminally online manifesto that I couldn’t even get through. It’s roleplay and storytelling, which is what our species is great at, but it doesn’t connect with reality beyond that.

      Look guys, if you want to engage in some kind of organized social action that will actually make a difference, turn off social media entirely. You moving from reddit to lemmy feels good in a micro-narrative, but nobody cares, it won’t change anything for anyone. It’s not bad, but it’s not some heroic action either.

      You can do so, so much more for the causes you care about by GOING THE FUCK OUTSIDE.

      • DarkFuture@lemmy.worldEnglish
        52·
        4 days ago

        You can do so, so much more for the causes you care about by GOING THE FUCK OUTSIDE.

        I mean…it all starts with communication, right?

        This platform is a source for communication. One that isn’t affected by corporate goons and Nazis the way Reddit is. The internet is literally the most effective form of communication if used properly. Yeah, you eventually have to go outside and get dirty, but it starts places like this.

        We shouldn’t be putting this post down. It’s not productive.

      • Murdoc@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
        3·
        4 days ago

        I think that you can leave reddit and do other meaningful things as well. In fact it might even help you do so. And being a little dramatic might just be what some people need as a push to do it. I didn’t get through all of this either, but then I have already left there.

    • xor@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
      53·
      4 days ago

      lemmy . ml sucks too, btw… this little flyer leads people straight into the worst instance… one that’s essentially only chinese communist propaganda

    • pedka@lemmy.mlEnglish
      51·
      4 days ago

      what’s wrong with my instance? its a real question, i dont use lemmy that often

      • blackn1ght@feddit.uk
        163·
        4 days ago

        Extremely sensitive admins who ban people from all communities for any criticism of China, Cuba and North Korea.

        It’s a running joke on Lemmy at this point.

        • Flumpkin@slrpnk.net
          31·
          4 days ago

          So these socialist admins banned some people from all socialist communities. Then the liberal admins from the largest instances banned all socialists from all instances as collective punishment. Because… authoritarianism?

          I mean that explanation doesn’t explain why the socialist instances are all pre-banned and pre-censored on the mainstream instances. Which makes the poster perfect irony.

          • blackn1ght@feddit.uk
            5·
            3 days ago

            They banned people from all communities on their instance, not just political ones.

            I assume you’re talking about Lemmy world? They didn’t ban all socialists from all instances as that’s impossible. They defederated from hexbear and lemmygrad because they saw how toxic their userbase was. They’re still federated with lemmy.ml because their users behave normally.

    • Excrubulent@slrpnk.netEnglish
      2·
      4 days ago

      They do, look at their unbelievably purple prose. This person thinks they’re the modern day Lenin or something.

        • CaptnNMorgan@lemmy.world
          2·
          3 days ago

          Could we get a brief explanation for why those are bad too? I left a different instance because they removed down votes, but I just picked world because I saw more posts and comments from them at the time. It’s been more mixed lately

          • threelonmusketeers@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
            2·
            3 days ago

            why those are bad too?

            You mean BlahajZone, LemmyWorld, and SlrPnk? I think they’re generally pretty good. LemmyWorld has some problems due to its size and older versions of Lemmy.

  • mint_tamas@lemmy.world
    257·
    4 days ago

    revolutions are born in monents like these

    Holy shit can this whole thing be any more corny? Is this done by teenagers? Don’t get me wrong fuck Musk/reddit/etc. but what is even the outrage about this time?

    • Theonetheycall1845@lemmy.world
      193·
      4 days ago

      Subreddits are being banned and important information being hindered from being seen. It may be corny to you but at least they’re trying. What have you done?

      • Cataphract@lemmy.ml
        5·
        4 days ago

        I’m not sure if I share the exact same sentiment as @mint_tamas@lemmy.world, but I honestly did have the thought of, “Who (or For Whom), does this format work for anymore?”

        Like I get it, it’s classical and all. A call back to a historic time where action was taken (just don’t look into it too hard, you’ll get disappointed if you learn outside the “Americuh” version). But, now it just feels a little … disingenuous? Idk the exact word/feeling, maybe because it’s been co-opted by so many bad actors or maybe that we’re talking about social media websites.

        I guess this format gives off a dude’s “Love, Live, Laugh” version of righteousness, that even though the message may be correct, it just feels like a weird marketing technique.

        • Theonetheycall1845@lemmy.world
          2·
          4 days ago

          OK I laughed at dudes version if live laugh love. 😂 Either way we’re fucked I guess. I have my gun ready to act but I’m sure as hell not dying by myself.

      • ameancow@lemmy.worldEnglish
        53·
        3 days ago

        I limited my internet time to just an hour or two a day and stopped caring about any of this worthless performative BS.

        If there are causes you care about or actions you want to take to impact the world and make a difference, GOING THE FUCK OUTSIDE does so, so much more than this kind of roleplay teenage bullshit. Moving your worthless scrolling time from one website to another isn’t going to bring the establishment to its knees. But going out and donating a box of socks and underwear to a community food bank will literally change someone’s life.

        edit: if these kinds of messages make you angry or feel called out, that’s a sure, 100% accurate predictor that you’re exactly who this message is directed at. For that matter, if you’re reading the feelings and opinions of others (what social media is) then you’re not living your own life and finding your own emotional states and this is why we’re here. We’re discarding our lives to live in both the rage and satisfaction of others. When was the last time you sought out other HUMANS to feel these things? How much have you worked to exercise whatever shriveled spark of free-will is left in there? Are you just surfing from stimulation to stimulation as your brain invents rationalizations for your lack of actual life and progress? GO OUT AND DO LITERALLY ANYTHING ELSE, YOU SHOULDN’T BE SITTING IN FRONT OF YOUR MONITOR ANGRY YOU DENSE, TRAPPED MOTHERFUCKER.

        • Theonetheycall1845@lemmy.world
          21·
          4 days ago

          You assume that because I’m discussing these things online that I don’t take action. Not that it’s any of your business but I’m going to a community cleanup tomorrow. I’ll be bringing a chair and watching people pick up litter.

    • ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works
      11·
      4 days ago

      Is this done by teenagers?

      Quite possibly. There’d be no real way of knowing. But it does sound like young people trying to find an outlet and seeking change–as ineffectual as it may seem to jaded old timers.

  • PlainSimpleGarak@lemmings.world
    197·
    4 days ago

    Haha who the hell made this? This reads like a basement dwellers wet dream. “fight the man! Fight the machine!..from our keyboards!”

    • DarkFuture@lemmy.worldEnglish
      141·
      4 days ago

      Does it wax poetic? Yeah, sure.

      Is it right? Yes.

      Is it from our keyboards? So what? That’s how it starts. If we don’t congregate and open communication about what’s happening in a space where we can’t be censored, then there’s no chance of anything in opposition happening.

      It borders on cringe, but I support it 100%.

  • .Donuts@lemmy.world
    43·
    5 days ago

    They should really include the no ads thing. I think it’s a great selling point, and it would be useful to leverage.

    • blindbunny@lemmy.mlEnglish
      101·
      5 days ago

      While this is true some instances do need donations it’s very probable that some instances could include ads in the future.

      • .Donuts@lemmy.world
        18·
        5 days ago

        Totally fair, but at the moment, there are none. And even if instances will start using 3rd party ads, there will also be instances that will never run ads. The power of federation at work.

  • danc4498@lemmy.worldEnglish
    21·
    5 days ago

    I love it, but I fear for the day Lemmy becomes so popular that it is worthwhile for the corporate bots to begin gaming Lemmy’s algorithm to dominate front pages. I don’t think Lemmy is prepared to defend against this.

    • bayesianbandit@lemmy.caEnglish
      9·
      5 days ago

      I am still new to the fediverse but I figured that smaller constellations will federate without connecting to the largest federation.

      It’s harder to manipulate 500 disjoint federations than 1 really large one. Especially when some of those federations rely on heavy verification.

      Of course those smaller federations are likely organized around specific purposes or organizing interests rather than broad public discourse.

      • danc4498@lemmy.worldEnglish
        32·
        4 days ago

        Part of what makes Reddit so great is the huge community of content creators. Both the posts and comments. Lemmy has slowly been catching up, but still is far off.

        Defederating from large instances will just result in lower quality content for those instances. I would hope there’d be a better solution, but I’m not smart enough to think of one.

        Maybe the secret is to let each instance control their own sorting algorithm. They keep getting the content from the large instances, but control how it gets brought to the front page. My guess is this would be no small task, but that would definitely make it difficult to game the algorithm.

        • bayesianbandit@lemmy.caEnglish
          1·
          4 days ago

          So with all due respect I think you’re coming at this from a different set of experiences and assumptions as to what constitutes “good content.”

          I’m a transsexual and many of us have already migrated into closed Discord servers in order to specifically avoid what you consider to be “benefits” of federating with large instances.

          The same things you think are so great about Reddit have been driving us off the platform for years in search of more niche and protected communities.

          I’m not denying that your use case here is valid. Just that it’s a very mainstream view of what good social media is. But mainstream appeal doesn’t necessarily mean better for all of us in all communities.

          The fediverse has the potential in the digital world to be like gay villages once were in meat world. Isolated and self-segregated, safer than most places though hate crimes and bath house raids still continued, and essential for organizing networks of support/protection between ourselves.

          • danc4498@lemmy.worldEnglish
            1·
            4 days ago

            We definitely have different use cases. I’m looking for the exact same thing I had on Reddit, but on a platform controlled by people that won’t sell our user experience for share prices.

            Doesn’t mean I want the Nazis and homophobes here as well. But the content I enjoyed on Reddit is what I would want here. Not just fun memes and news stories, but niche communities and the great comments you’d get from Reddit.

            Sounds like you didn’t like what you had on Reddit and are looking for something different.

    • ERROR: Earth.exe has crashed@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
      21·
      4 days ago

      I think we might reach a point that, instead of one application in the beginning, we’d have to have periodic “re-verification” to prove that you are human (and haven’t been taken over by a bot). Like maybe once every 6 months. And on the 5th month, you can begin early submission for the re-verification application.

  • Phoenixz@lemmy.ca
    10·
    4 days ago

    Another reddexit?

    There have been multiple, i left at the second, but reddit is filled to the brim with AI accounts and people who have no idea. Even if its all fake, reddit has enough traffic Tongo on for a while.

    • DarkFuture@lemmy.worldEnglish
      4·
      4 days ago

      True. But Reddit has already lost users. I 100% noticed a reduction after they banned 3rd party apps. Daily top posts don’t have as many upvotes as they used to. Less total comments.

      A small win, but a win nonetheless. I mean, we’re here.

  • KnoLord@lemmy.zip
    291·
    5 days ago

    While I agree with the message, that the people should leave all centralized Social Media services, the big mistake here is concentrating a massive user-base on one instance (.ml) of one specific service (Lemmy) instead of spreading the influx towards many smaller, but still solid instances and federated services (PieFed, Mastodon, MBin).

    Even disregarding .ml’s reputation, if this post does reach a substantial user-base, the only thing happening then is .ml receiving a HoD and people losing faith in the Fediverse as a whole (e: spelling) due to this, sadly. :c

  • LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net
    264·
    5 days ago

    I saw it being denounced as a psyop which I thought was funny, since I think it pretty clearly isn’t one. But directing people to lemmy.ml is bad advice as most of us know.

    • Ech@lemm.eeEnglish
      7·
      5 days ago

      When I first heard of Lemmy, I curiously poked around, and at the time it was just lemmygrad and ml. Needless to say I backed out quickly. Glad it got some diversity with the api kerfuffle.