“I don’t care what the judges think”
So this means you’re voluntarily outlawing yourself, right?
We HAVE to start referring to this guy as a Pakled.
“We are smart. Make us Strong.”
I mean, look at him, and listen to him talk. He could be the guy that Star Trek modeled the Pakleds after.
You can kiss American democracy goodbye.
It’s gone. Whether our society is ready to accept it or not.
Those of us who were repeating ad nauseum that the last 2 elections were really, really important were not fucking around.
Our quality of life is set to decline for the remainder of our lives.
The 2030s are going to be ugly.
Very.
Whether we get rid of Trump and Republicans in 4 years is irrelevant. The nation is still overflowing with stupid people. It won’t be long before we vote in another traitorous Republican and we won’t have repaired all the damage from this administration by then. So we’ll continue trending downwards no matter what. The speed at which we do so might just fluctuate a little.
Violent protests are going to start becoming commonplace in this nation. Homelessness will skyrocket. Retirement will be a thing of the past. It’s going to get very, very ugly.
All because Americans can’t be bothered to vote responsibly.
American democracy is not gone. Don’t partake in doom and gloom.
Democracy is not a given.
The framers of the constitution were always concerned about a new autocrat taking root in America. Their solution was to divide power up into 3 co-equal branches. The idea being that if any one branch attempted to subvert the constitution, the other two branches could check their power.
The executive branch is saying loudly “we will not abide by the rulings of the judicial branch, they can not check our power.”
Here are some contemporary examples
- White House ignores court and invokes Alien Enemies Act to deport hundreds of Venezuelans
- Deported Ivy League doctor Rasha Alawieh will remain in Lebanon as judge hears arguments over Trump ignoring court order
The executive branch is also ignoring the legislative branch (not that the current office holders seem to mind much)
The US Institute of Peace is established by black letter law, passed the democratically elected congress. It has been dissolved, not because the law our representatives passed has been rescinded by the legislative branch, not because it was found unconstitutional by the judicial branch, but because the executive branch just said “we are doing this and we have the guns.”
It existing is the democratic will of the people made manifest through our representatives, and now because trump signed an executive order, it’s gone.
They broke into private property and removed people that do not work for the executive branch because the president said so.
All valid points. The situation is very concerning however democracy is not gone.
Sad to say that’s right.
Once this administration defies the courts democracy will be over in the US.
It won’t be a one off either, he will then begin doing whatever he wants. Congress will not stop him.
They already have multiple times now, no?
They have, already defied multiple rulings and continue to defy more. It’s crazy to me how few people seem to realize this. Even in this thread.
One example: https://www.npr.org/2025/02/12/nx-s1-5293132/trump-vance-constitutional-crisis-court-rulings
Edit: The fact that major outlets keep phrasing it as a hypothetical isn’t helping.
They’ve broken the law blatantly and have not reversed some things that they should have, but typically they have stopped doing the action when the courts have ordered it.
So they have sorta, but not outright
They were literally told to hold on deporting these people, and then said nope we got them in the air already, in under 24 hours. If that’s not outright defying the court, I don’t know what else we’re waiting for.
It isn’t the first time they’ve rushed deportations to stay ahead of court orders. All you have to do is skip that pesky woke “due process” nonsense. Thats the new SOP.
If they arrest more people after the court order. That will tell us for sure.
I’m not saying things are good right now, they’re pretty bleak
President Donald Trump’s administration made a calculated decision to ignore a judge’s directive to turn around two flights containing hundreds of alleged Venezuelan gang members, sources familiar with the matter told ABC News.
At least they’re still working under pretense and condition. They “can’t” turn them around because they’re already in route.
It’s not good, but they are using a contrived reason. I’m afraid for the day they stop trying to justify it and keep doing it.
Things are getting to that point rapidly
You realize they will always have some sort of “justification”. Heck, saying “ I felt like it” would be a justification.
You’re waiting for a line to be crossed that has already been crossed.
Edit: For your specific cope here: under no legal basis would already having that plane in the air change the legality of the situation. If it was in the air they could’ve and should’ve turned it around.
Like a bank robber holding a sign that says “This is not a robbery. And even if it is, it is permitted under Article II”.
Saying I felt like it is not a justification. Wouldn’t call this a cope either. I know things are bad, but there’s still room for them to get much much worse. I think they will reach that point. It’s just watching the milestones pass now.
A justification is any reason given to justify an action. Fascist will always have a justification for their actions. You said you’re waiting for them to stop trying to justify it, but that’s never going to happen. There will always always be bullshit justification.
Just because things could get worse, doesn’t mean that they aren’t an absolute catastrophe already and it is a cope to sit there and Keep telling yourself” well at least it’s not worse than it is now.”
And as we all know, planes can’t turn around. Too bad those Wright brothers couldn’t figure that little maneuver out. And it’s made air combat in wars very complicated and pointless since planes can’t just turn around and get back to where they took off from.
/s
I believe most of those were based on intentionally misreading of the orders from my understanding. The recent one with sending people to El Salvador was more much blatant. Especially as people within the whitehouse are blatantly poking at the judge. For instance, yhey are retweeting the el salvador president “joking” and saying “Oppsie, too late” (they were ordered to turn the planes around before they got there)
It’s going to matter what the courts do from here out. They have the power to sanctuation. If Marshalls don’t enforce said sanctions, they have the power to deputize others to enforce for them if the courts are willing to do so
if the courts are willing to do so
That’s a big “if.”
Isn’t this an example of that, right here, right now?
There are words and there are actions, but we’re not far off
When the option with the most ‘votes’ was to abstain from voting, is it still a democracy?
If we survive, the Constitution is going to need a major overhaul. The judiciary and the legislative branches need to have their own enforcement arms.
Sure. That’s the answer.
More competing security agencies.
Yeah. I wrote that in a pique of anger but I will let it stay. There need to be some major changes.
Why the fuck are Americans calling their officials czars now? Russia really got their claws in.
It’s an intended insult.
That’s what cool people read it as.
That’s not how the media and politicians mean it.
No that’s what it is, an idiot thinking a nazi tattoo is a point of pride does not make it something to be proud of.
Trump taps a border czar. What’s a czar and how do they work?
https://www.npr.org/2024/11/15/nx-s1-5189264/trump-border-czar-political-czar-history
So many innocents are going to die in the coming years. I wish I could warn them, but most of them seem to not care at all…
They’re on board with it because they think it will only happen to “those people” and will be appalled when it happens to themselves or at least their neighbors and friends and families.
Three Co-Equal Branches of government. Seems like the other two branches need to wake up.
The other two branches have also been taken over by traitors.
Yeah, I just wish it weren’t so. How do we fix the mess we’re in?
The 2nd amendment.
Four boxes of liberty.
Seriously stop asking this dumb question. You know what has to happen, it’s just not great to think about because you had life plans. Well, guess what: your plans are dead, and there is a good possibility you will be too.
Congress is categorically useless, and the ultimate judicial authority in the country - and a disturbing proportion of lower courts besides that - have been completely co-opted. And nobody anywhere who has actual power to push back is actually pushing back. I don’t think even a military coup in either direction would help things at this point. I think the US is headed for breakup and balkanization. This goose is cooked, imo.
See you guys on the other side, I guess.
I think the US is headed for breakup and balkanization.
This will most likely be our future.
And it’s about time as well, blue and red states have completely opposites opinions of where they want to head, it means that most of the US population is pulled backward by a minority. Well at some point you’ve got to cut your losses, if Alabama and Mississippi want to be third world countries then so be it, the blue states can just offer asylum to anyone living there that wants to leave.
Yeah my money is on a Soviet style break up, I doubt there will be much fighting during. I also doubt there will be a Russia analogue since there isn’t really an equivalent state maybe the great planes could unify but they don’t really have the population to be warmongers.
Judges hate this one trick…
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Even though it’s correct, what is this AI slob?
