Honestly it’s a little how my mom talks when she gets upset. Just a stream of things that are loosely connected but are all bobbing along on the same river of emotion.
It’s how I get stuff like “You never call me you call your cousin he’s cheating on his wife you know just because you broke up with your girlfriend doesn’t mean you have to take it out on me”. You can kind of see how there’s a shared feeling or theme there but it’s not articulated.
I’m going to guess that for someone who produces output like that, input of that type goes in easily. They’re just vibing on the emotions.
“Emotional Word Vomit”
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It’s one thing all the parodies like SNL miss. Every mockery of him makes more sense than his babble, because you need things to make some sense to be funny for more than 90 seconds.
“Covfefe” gives you what, two seconds of a joke? When you work it into something, that something ends up more coherent than actual Trump.
I never knew I had a brother but we obviously have the same mother.
“This is the guy I want to represent my interests in international negotiations.”
– 40% of Americans
“Joe Biden is the incoherent one.”
- Those same 40% of Americans
Biden is too old, and I wish we would have ran someone else to aim for 12 years. His administration has done a pretty decent job with what they’ve been given to work with. Honestly, we need to give them enough margin to be able to legislate without enormous concessions.
But when the alternative is gestures wildly that, this really shouldn’t be an open question.
For me age is irrelevant if they can do the job but it’s abundantly clear neither Trump nor Biden are capable. The reason I think age doesn’t matter is because someone like Bernie Sanders has been rock solid on his positions for decades and can still form convincing arguments. I’m sure we’d all love a younger candidate and I’d have settled for Andrew Yang but the radical idea of a universal basic income ensured the DNC pulled him off stage.
The two party system has essentially guaranteed we will always be voting for the least damaging candidate and until we transition to ranked choice or abolish the DNC/RNC we’re just stuck right where we are.
me age is irrelevant if they can do the job but
George Santos is young, Matt Venmo Gatez is young… I dont think being young automatically makes you a good choice for political office either
He just stumbles randomly from conservstive buzzword to Conservative buzzword without saying anything of substance. He’s literally the perfect candidate for them.
If he wins the world is lost. His “leadership” is indicative of the same disease that’s increasing everywhere. It’s worrying and it’s all coming from the “right” of the political spectrum. Wars are coming.
I’ve always had to remind myself and others of this. Trump isn’t the problem, not really. He’s just a symptom of the brain rot gripping the world at this moment.
I’m tempted to at least partially blame COVID but things were sliding this way long before then. I mean there are people out there simultaneously claiming that masks don’t work and also that they’ll choke you to death from lack of oxygen…people have grown real accustomed to tolerating cognitive dissonance.
Anybody got a link for an authorative explanation of why this is happening?
I got one I can pull one out of my arse.
People are too nice and polite. Back in the day someone would say some shit and you could reply “what the fuck do you know about that? Fuck off, you dropped out of school at 16 and you’re telling me you know about that. You’re full of shit and you know it. You might actually be the stupidest person i know. Greg you dont know this guy, i do he once got stuck outside in the rain for 45 minutes because he was pushing a pull door. He even watched someone come out and didnt manage to work it out”
Also ignorance was made cool on TV. TV used to be about the best and the brightest, you can go watch old news articles, documentaries or read the newspaper. It was written above the average to stretch people. Then cheap TV came on where we were kind of meant to laugh at poor stupid people, but they do have some good characteristics. They can be funny, nice, insightful suddenly people enjoy them and listen to them act like them
Ease of use is more important than anything and it’s a race to the bottom. That’s why I force myself to read books or I’m going to get brain rot. But back in the day all you could do was read books.
40% of Americans think he’s smart.
The word Think is a bit generous tbf
True.
We hope its only 40%.
25% of Americans think he’s smart. 47% of Americans want him to be the president.
Nah, they want a king. Some of them at least.
Hell if isolationism is your goal maybe this would help /s
An internal combustion engine came up to me, big strong internal combustion engine, tears in his eyes, and said “Sir, I want to thank for all you’ve done for this country, from the bottom of my spark plugs.”
Was it ‘Mater?
And even that old internal combustion engine managed to sputter less than Trump did.
An internal combustion engine came up to me, and puttered out a better speech than that.
Wtf is he even saying
He’s writing his speeches for maximum SEO like a stable genius
What ever you need him to.
You know, you might be debanked. Good heavens! Debanked!!
“I hate electric cars too now vote for me you scum!”
They do believe the car thing. A relative of a friend told me she didn’t want Biden to take away her Honda CRV because she liked it so much. She seemed to think it was a nearly done deal, Biden’s coming to reclaim all fossil-fueled powered vehicles and make everyone buy electric cars. I didn’t ask for details.
Of course, the Republicans are standing strong against this atrocity.
So this is the new “Obama’s gonna take all your guns!!1!” trope.
Which of course he didn’t. Either of the times the GOP leaders said he would. And they knew it. It was just to create hysteria among their base.
Yep, though the gun manufacturers, via the NRA, probably drive that one. They LOVE it when a Democrat is in office because they can say that and watch gun sales rise.
I’m convinced they also love shootings, or at least did, for similar reasons - I’m sure, for a while, gun owners worried this latest shooting might be the one that generates new restrictions on gun purchases, so out they went to buy. At this point I don’t think they have anything to worry about; we as a country seem to have decided mass shootings are Just Great, so that little fear probably doesn’t work as well any more.
Let’s never forget the NRA’s solution to school shootings, after Newtown, was literally, “More guns in schools.”
Obama didn’t increase firearm restrictions, but Trump did with the bump stock ban. Which, incidentally, is due to be overturned by the Supreme Court this year.
It wasn’t for lack of trying though, because Obama did call for and back legislation to ban certain scary guns. Their attempts at the taking of guns simply failed the standard legislative process. Many of you probably weren’t of voting age at the time, but this process of attempting to take the guns actually did happen during the Obama presidency.
I was of voting age in 2008. Banning or heavily regulating certain types of guns is not the same as sending the national guard into every home in the US to search for and confiscate them, which is exactly what conservatives have been saying will happen for at least a decade now. Iirc trump banned some kind of bump-stock-adjacent device, but I don’t recall any gangs of roving feds going door to door to round up all the ones that have already been purchased.
Let me make sure I’ve got what you’re saying correct:
Banning or heavily regulating guns that people already legally own, guns that have been widely considered a constitutional right for >75 years, is not the same as “taking your guns”, is that correct? Would it be fair to say that they only thing you would consider to be “taking your guns” would be house-to-house confiscation of all firearms in private hands?
In re: bump stocks - it turns out that a lot of people that purchased them (and forced reset triggers, which are a similar concept) got letters from the ATF telling them that they had to turn them in or destroy them. Because, see, the ATF could just force the companies that sold them to disclose customer records, which means yeah, they could come to your door and take it. Unless you paid cash at a gun store, there’s an electronic trail, and the ATF followed it for a whoooooooole lot of people. Continuing to keep one that you purchased legally at the time? That’s a felony, because the ATF has re-classified them as machine guns, which means you can’t own one since they were produced post-ban, and there’s no way to make it legal. (Currently, there’s an appeals court that has ruled the ban illegal, but we’ll have to see how that plays out.)
If you genuinely and unironically thought bump stocks and pistol-ARs weren’t going to have a reckoning, you are the perfect example of why we need to start taking guns away from conservatives.
Every good old boy knows a fascist making ghost guns in their garage.
Quit your fucking pathetic 2A pearl clutching and just admit it’s about the killing fetish already.
I’ll bet that if someone called you a pearl-clutching 1A fetishist that just wanted to groom children, you would–rightly–argue that no, civil rights like the ability to read books about gender identity and sexuality are protected civil rights that the gov’t shouldn’t touch.
Or if someone said that if you have nothing to hide, then you should care if the gov’t spies on you, you would tell them to fuck off and come back with a warrant.
…But as soon as it’s a civil right you don’t personally like, well, then it’s ammosexuals and murder fetishes.
The right is already trying to take your 1A rights in regards to press and religion–and largely succeeding!–but by golly!, you’re gonna just hand them your 2A rights so that when they finish taking your 1A and 5A rights you won’t be able to do dick except say mean things in public that will get you arrested on domestic terrorism charges (see also: cop city protests in Atlanta).
Cool, nice chat.
guns that have been widely considered a constitutional right for >75 years
That was really only a result of the NRA having a coup and going from a sporting organization to a 2A advocacy group in the 1970s. They lobbied for multiple decades and had a couple of supreme court victories in 2006 and 2012 that made it an individual right to own whatever the fuck kind of gun you want. It’s very, very recent.
Yeah, no. It simply wasn’t considered an issue before that point for the most part. Then you had Reagan passing bullshit laws because he was afraid of black people, and, well, shit took off.
It’s pretty clear from a reading of the documents surrounding the writing of the US constitution that it was always intended as an individual right–and legal obligation in many instances!–and that it was intended to mean military arms.
Moving the goalposts, not allowed. I will return the discussion back to course.
Banning of guns is what people generally think of as “$politician taking the guns” and is what drives 2A voters to vote against $politician. In the above discussion we were discussing Obama, and he did in fact do what I said he did.
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You seem hostile and easily perturbed. Exactly the sort of person that I hope is running around with a gun in their pants.
Oh no!
ObamaBiden is coming for yourgunscars! Only our guy can save from this totally real danger!I know why politicians claim it, because taking away something that belongs to someone is an affront to them the way “regulations requiring manufacturers to adhere to climate friendlier standards” isn’t, but it’s such an annoying instant radicalization people make.
Finding out gas stoves cause a significant percentage of childhood asthma and some states proposing a subsequent ban on household gas in new builds only became “BIDEN WANTS TO MAKE YOUR GAS STOVE ILLEGAL”. Subsidies for electric cars became “BIDEN BANNING GAS CARS” etc etc.
I now wonder how much damage I did to myself sitting around camp fires for so much of my childhood.
Probably some, but the real problem is when it’s enclosed indoors I believe.
Just raw economics will win them over long run. EV will be price parity at some point not in the too distant future. In those sunny southern state, where solar + EV is just such a clear win, the rolling coal inbreds just can’t not see it.
Depending on the generation of CR-V, I suppose - and without any hard math/stats despite how hard I’ve tried - I suspect the net impact of your relative driving it for the rest of its usable life vs buying a brand new EV to be significantly less, considering Lithium mining, curb weight, etc.
… I’m not sure why you’re telling me this. Also, it’s not my relative.
A friendly reminder that half of all Americans have the literacy skill of a 12 year old or younger.
We should be precise. 7th grade reading skill is roughly where uou should be at 12 years old. A 7th grade reading level is literate, able to read and understand most words, and able to derive meaning.
Adult illiteracy is nothing to be ashamed of. More adults should seek help with their literacy skills, and people should not be made to feel stupid just because the educational and social support systems failed them in one way or another.
Celebrating ignorance is the real problem. Trump is not just illiterate, he’s incoherent. His statements are gibberish, and his followers revel in the confusion and consternation he evokes in others.
His statements are gibberish,
This concerns me more than the rest. It’s like Nostradamus: it invites one to draw conclusions from complete nonsense. And like the literary equivalent of a Rorschach test, the reader inevitably sees a piece of themself reflected on the page, and the experience is distinct yet repeatable by everybody.
That’s a problem even with proper English with good grammar. There’s a certain bias in the assumptions of the speaker and listener, which contributes to misunderstandings which are easily observed in almost every human interaction. The ambiguity of language is hard to avoid. The fact is that the speaker makes many unconscious assumptions about the listener understanding the context under which they are making their statements, and the listener must make assumptions on the context under which the speaker is making their statements.
The trouble is that, unless you’re incredibly verbose, the likelihood that every reader/listener has the same context in mind as the speaker, is incredibly small. We as humans have a natural set of assumptions for the context of any given statement; those assumptions are not necessarily the same from person to person, state to state, country to country, and regional geography to regional geography.
This isn’t to mention the nuance of idioms and cultural references that are invoked in many conversations, to which, if you don’t understand the underlying story/contexts in which that idiom or reference exists, misunderstandings are inevitable.
With all that being said, I find that most people at least put in adequate effort to ensure their thoughts are portrayed in a comprehensible way. Most of the misunderstandings which result from that effort are detailed above (as far as I’ve seen). What Trump is saying, however, shows no effort to explain our even make mention of what context this string of words should be taken under, and the only concepts I can derive from his incomprehensible word vomit are so generalized that it has left the majority of the message to whatever context you wish to install for it.
Depending on what context you choose to use for it, this string of words could be a powerful call to arms, or it could be the nonsensical drivel of a madman. I fall more into the latter category, since I have worked hard to remove as much assumption and personal bias from my active listening, and thus, in the absence of any indicators of context from the speaker, the statement does not make any sense at all.
In my highschool journalism class, we were taught to write to the level of our readers, and that the average reading level for adults in the US is 6th grade. I think 3rd grade is the target now.
I agree that celebrating ignorance is the problem.
I work in tech and the number of people who outright refuse to even listen to a very high level technical explanation, or follow instructions poorly with the excuse that they “don’t know tech” is very high IMO. I can usually see when people disconnect from a very very basic discussion about an issue. If it’s more complicated than “I’m working on it” then they don’t want to hear it.
I usually refer to this as “willful ignorance”, aka, people who are otherwise smart, and capable of learning, who actively put in the effort to not learn anything new. Usually, willful ignorance is more effort than simply listening and trying to understand.
A lot of the people you’re referring to seem to not only be willfully ignorant themselves, but also desire to celebrate people who are willfully ignorant and celebrate people who are blatantly ignorant.
Don’t get me wrong, I have nothing against anyone who doesn’t know something, or people who don’t want or need all the details; I certainly don’t have anything against persons that don’t have the ability to understand. But if you can’t even entertain the summary of something, you’re the problem.
You can lead a horse to water, but you can’t make it think.
All the talk about Biden being mentally unifit coming out of the Trump camp has to be pure projection. Trump is what, only 4 years younger? He’s had some gaffes just as bad imo
They’re both mentally unfit IMHO. One is a bit demented, the other is lucky that his dementia happens to help cover a pile of seething shit.
Biden isn’t a good person by any means but we’re literally comparing the next Hitler to Bill Clinton.
Clinton got a blowjob and got impeached. Trump fucked a hooker and no one gave a single fuck.
Bill Clinton is only 77, WTF why is our current president 81 when the former president 30 years ago is currently younger???
Clinton (and Obama, for that matter) were exceptionally young presidents.
Clinton was the youngest president at the time of his induction since Kennedy (Kennedy was also the youngest President at the end of his term for other reasons, namely because it was the youngest a President had ever died, if that makes sense). JFK was the youngest since TR, who was the youngest ever, and Obama was only a year or so younger than Clinton at the time of induction.
the next Hitler to Bill Clinton
The next Hitler to Hindenburg, more like.
Trump : Biden :: Stalin : LBJ
TIL, Trump’s gonna beat the Nazis.
beat
the word you’re looking for is grift.
Biden is a Genocidal piece of shit but calling him Hitler goes a bit far.
really? genocidal?
bibi is genocidal. biden is enabling. your hyperbole is showing.
But you know what, enjoy trump then, I’m sure that’ll go much better.
No giving Zyklon B to the Nazis while they are putting the Jews in gas chambers is not committing genocide, it’s enabling genocide!
No Bibi isn’t committing genocide, he’s just ordering it. He’s not actually shooting Arabs!
enjoy trump. thanks.
Enjoy Genocide. As long it’s not you it’s fine right?
Are you saying Biden is the next Hitler?
Okay, but we have to pick the lesser
evilsenile candidate. We only have two choices. And even if a third party guy were to run, a vote for that guy would actually be a vote for one of the other two guys.For sure. But the problem is systemic. Having to “vote for the lesser evil” is symptom of a “winner takes all”-election/governance.
Throw in private interests in of the primaries candidate selection, add extensive private ownership of media coverage, and you complete the pretence of “by the people”.
Either the US does a redo of the election process, or we’ll see if the next fascist coup attempt sticks or not. I suppose learning from history and Hitler’s initial failed coup, is a bit too on the nose. But, then again, had it happened in the US today, he wouldn’t have been put in jail for treason, and then might not have written Mein Kampf, and perhaps then also not manage to succeed in the second coup?
It’s not like we’re repeating this storyline play by play. Hitler didn’t use the term “fake news” in an effort to undermine the function of the press and critical reporting… Because he spoke German, and they called it “große Lüge” instead.
Oh well… shrug
That’s a rough 4 years. But Biden takes care of himself…Trump, well…doesn’t.
Always has been
Elon Musk is just sitting there listening to this word salad, clenching his asshole as tight as he can, realizing he decided to gang up with the assholes who hate electric cars.
I don’t know, Musk has gotten to the point that he might actually match with the MAGAts against his own company and then fire half the staff for not defending the factory against him.
I don’t think he cares all that much about Tesla and probably sees the writing on the wall for the company. Its reputation is mud. He got what he needed.
He’s on to the next thing, only using Tesla as a stepping stone to the next grift.
Here’s my assessment of him -
He started out exploiting people - His family used aparthied and slave labor to build their wealth.
From there, he used his family’s wealth to woo/partner with engineers with good ideas.
Then he moved into his business exploitation phase, using his lack of morals to claim ownership over the companies he founded with others ideas and sell them off (Zip2 and the first X . com).
Using those proceeds, he entered the government exploitation game. Space X, which is held afloat by government grants. Or Tesla, which was also held afloat by government grants at first, and then later, largely by over-enthusiastic stock market investors, whom he began to experiment with manipulating.
Naturally, he moved on to trying his hand at stock market manipulation in a big way. It’s where instead of making millions for himself and billions for companies (or billions in ‘assets’), he could have personally made actual billions in liquid cash. That’s what all the ‘will he, won’t he?’ was about regarding purchasing Twitter and its massive stock price fluctuations.
But he got outfoxed by Twitter’s then-lawyers, and now he’s desperately trying every knob at his disposal, including Putin and Xi’s, in the hopes that his empire of grift does not collapse. It’s why he’s attempting to turn Twitter into an online bank (like the first X . com), and wants the husk of Twitter to cater exclusively to stupid and manipulable people - things he sort of knows, because he recognizes the mythos has been broken and he can’t pull the same confidence tricks.None of this stuff is even in their own interests.
It’s like the anti immigration people who don’t want to fund education. It’s H1B visa workers that will need to fill jobs in the future.
Not really. Tesla is aimed at libertarians, aka the conservative side that wants the cool toys from the left but only for the wealthy. For example, the Cybertruck is about making electric vehicles appealing to the more radical side. So it is a pickup truck, but not a too competent or practical truck, but that doesn’t matter. What it has to be is a shiny toy for assholes to LARP being a millionaire during the apocalypse. “It’s bulletproof!” being one of the stupid lies that he uses for marketing towards them.
Fucking astounding. He’s the frontrunner for the GOP.
“They’re not sending their best people”
Whoa. I didn’t realize he was only projecting when he said:
They’re not sending their best. They’re not sending you. They’re not sending you. They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. . . . They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists.
Clearly the ramblings of someone who should be president. /s
Clearly somehow some people don’t hear it as ramblings, but as someone who speaks like them and should be president again.
<weeps in silence>
See. All I hear is the impending doom of a country that de-funded public education.
De-banked.
I’ve had the thought that this is exactly why we mandate public education. Or at least we used to, before parents could just write a note to get out of it.
Fun fact… the original purpose of public education was to indoctrinate kids and suppress dissent while also making a (modestly) educated/useful workforce.
See? He tells it like it is! And what it is is that the debanking is trying to separate you from your country and that smell of toast we all keep smelling but no one else smells! Where is that ringing noise coming from???
Trump was a LLM hallucinating all along
GPT4 speaks more coherently.
GPT-2 is more coherent than that. Hell, a Markov chain would produce more coherent output than Trump.
Both confidently wrong
That explains pretty much everything. Like in a way that is kinda creepy.
Any other person saying this would be wheeled back into the old people’s home.
Which is exactly who he’s talking to, which is exactly the type of person that has the time to get out and vote when the time comes without really thinking about anything else.
Unfortunately, that old folks home would be the US Senate.
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I mean, no cognitive decline there…
That’s classic trump, honestly. It’s incoherent and insane, but not any different from the last decade.
He has gone downhill. Not since 2016–he was about as bad then as he is now. But if you look at his interviews from the early 90s, it was clear he could at least string three words together and make some kind of sense.
Here’s an interview with him by Barbra Walters from 1990:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5TwVCuPJrMw
Skip ahead to the three minute mark. He uses some of the same phrases that he does today, like “people need to understand the press is incredibly unfair in this country”. It was clear back then that he was a scumbag, and Walters does not let him get away with his bullshit, but he can articulate a properly structured sentence.
Pretty stable genius talk if you ask me ! /s
What? That’s like the best definition of “wokism” I’ve ever seen!
A brilliant speech. The best speech. One that should be carved in stone and immortalised like that of a Roman emperor’s.
Don’t know about you, but I’m despairing.
Dis-pairing like, breaking up with your partner?
Over a Trump speech?!?!
Sounds like someone is taking this a bit hard.
Generals that fought in WW1 came up to him, got on their knees and cried saying it was the most brave thing that they’ve ever seen in their lives.
Tears in their eyes
He’s going to build a statue of himself like Bender’s giant one. This speech will be carved into one of the legs.
