I was wondering why Marxism was still a thing and this placed seemed to be filled with Marxists. So, why? Didn’t the fall of USSR teach us anything? Do today’s Marxists think that USSR did something wrong? In other words, will they do anything different than the dictators of the soviet union? Also, some here seem to admire Stalin. I would really have to try hard to find a community that would admire Hitler but apparently admiring Stalin, another mass murder seems to be perfectly fine!

  • VictimOfReligion@lemmygrad.ml
    154·
    3 years ago

    First of all. Do you know anything of Marxism, like, read any actual theory or something explained by Marxists beyond your liberal surroundings where a huge propagandistic war has been happening against anything that threats plutocracy since before WWII?

    Do you know the history about how and why did the USSR was dismantled, by whom and how many people was against its dissolution?

    Do you also are conscious that the USSR weren’t the only socialist countries, and that we still have Laos, Vietnam, Cuba, China, etc?

    Considering the events in Ukraine, were people are cheering Azov Batalion and the pre-/WWII figure of Bandera without any remorse nor shame… Do you really think that it’s the case were Hitler is worse seen than Stalin?

    And regarding Stalin. Don’t you know about what Operation Mockingbird and Cointelpro is? And that the data of Stalin killing millions started directly with the hands of Goebbles?

    This are just small tips. I don’t want you to simply say something, but to you to practice honesty, without any fear, with your own critical thinking, for different markplaces so you can maybe understand why a group of “almost” history-fanatics are into an apparent “bad” ideology.

    Also, there’s the Lemmygrad forum of “communism101” if you want to aks directly, tho.

    But I think that what I say is enough to start.

    If you want, I can give you a link towards those alleged atrocities made by socialists.

    • southerntofu@lemmy.ml
      66·
      3 years ago

      Do you really think that it’s the case were Hitler is worse seen than Stalin?

      Errrrrrr yes. Except in neo-nazi circles, Hitler is the devil whereas Stalin is just seen as a dictator like any other. For example, most people who criticize Stalin in the west have no clue about the anti-muslim genocides committed in the USSR, or that “leftist” was a term coined by Lenin for actual communists fighting against his dictatorship… and that’s a shame especially in a day and age where “islamo-leftist” (at least in France) is a frequent slur just like “judeo-bolshevik” was in the 1930/40s.

      We have so much to deconstruct and learn to understand oppression in its many forms.

      • VictimOfReligion@lemmygrad.ml
        82·
        3 years ago

        Stalin literally re-legalized religion, including Islam, and religions are ideologies not fucking people, or are you going to say that people have their religion ingrained in their blood or some other orientalist shit?

        And no, Lenin talked about how anticommunist leftism was like an infantile disorder because how contradictory is.

        • southerntofu@lemmy.ml
          24·
          3 years ago

          religions are ideologies not fucking people, or are you going to say that people have their religion ingrained in their blood or some other orientalist shit?

          I’m not saying religion is hereditary. I’m saying religious oppression can fall into the category of genocide. Or are you like those leftists from the 30s who said antisemitism is not a problem because jewish is not a race?!

          And no, Lenin talked about how anticommunist leftism was like an infantile disorder because how contradictory is.

          The problem is those people he called “leftists” are way more communist than he ever was. So framing them as “anticommunist” doesn’t help when they’re in fact anti-bolshevik. Also, why would you say, for example, anarchism is contradictory? It’s much more contradictory to build a strong Nation State in order to reach a “classless, stateless” society than it is to go and abolish that shit for real!

        • southerntofu@lemmy.ml
          35·
          3 years ago

          Thanks for a nice ad-hominem attack showing you have nothing interesting to contribute to the debate