I had hope that this community would be a place where free thinkers would congregate and have open discussions about political issues. But at first glance it looks like a exact copy of r/politics. I lean left on the political scale but the constant republican/trump bashing is tiresome. Seems like this community has succumbed to the same fate. If I wanted heavy bias, I would just watch any major news station. Any suggestions on communities that discuss politics as a whole? Perhaps with an observatory viewpoint rather than a partisan one.
Free thinkers do tend to bash bigoted authoritarian-following thinkers. If mods removed all partisan comments in a political subreddit or instance community, there’d be a drop sharp in thread activity. I think it’s fine having a mix of objective anaylsis and partisan opinion. I felt that way even back in my Republican days.
I think you answered my question.
Yep. Fwiw, I gave your post an upvote. Take care.
The thing is, there’s not many of us here yet. By simply participating you have an outsized opportunity to set the tone by down voting extremist comments, low-effort commentary, cheap gags, and “both sides are the saaame” -style content, and upvoting objective, unbiased posts and discussions.
This isn’t reddit, it doesn’t aim to BE reddit, and while redditors are welcome, the established Lemmy communities probably want to keep things the way they were before the mass influx.
Like strangers in a strange land, we new folk can help by contributing posts and opinions we want to see, and use our up/down vote buttons to help achieve the tone. But if you sleep on it and just lurk, you’ll get what you get.
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Sounds good to me. Still testing apps and settling in.
I’d welcome any debate grounded in reality supported by established science and facts.
I’ll keep an eye out for any new communities and let you know if I find any. Please do the same
First, please mark as [Meta] next time, as this would be remove for a violation of rule 1. But this is just a nitpick.
It’ll be hard to regulate constant republican/trump bashing. They’re so many news sources just bashing them for there problems. I’ll feature this to have a discussion in the comments on what to change. Right now it’s just an emulation of r/politics to allow migrating redditors feel at home in this community. But if you want change then let’s see what change you guys want and see if it’s a good idea.
I agree, regulating would be impossible due to nature of open discussion. I was just hoping that Lemmy would be like Reddit was 10 years ago. Its just such low hanging fruit and doesnt add to developing a discussion. Sorry about the format I wasnt sure if this type of post would even be allowed.
It’s alright, it’s hard to have a discussion with bashing but that’s the media today just bashing republican party and republican bashing democartic party. It’s hell for any real discussion since it’s always going to be “Let’s bash the other” instead of “What do people need, why are they struggling with debt, what can we do to lower prices, how do we fix our nation problem with equality.” It’s a big problem in the media as it’s always bashing instead of trying to fix it.
We also would like the discussions to be similar to reddit 10 years ago. Obviously, the world is a bit different and the users are a bit different than back then. Right now we are focused on growing the community and creating a welcoming place for those migrating. In the future, I think we can take advantage of the fediverse and all that it brings to create a diverse community here. We will the discussions civil, but not restrict diffing opinions. This is not an echo chamber and we intend to keep it that way. Philosophy requires that dialogue flows freely and that many different voices are heard. We won’t all agree with those discussions but everyone has the right to be heard. We know there are many that believe the one side should not be heard because their beliefs are invalid. I’d rather we listen and debate that.
This is the perfect opportunity to check out politics communities on other instances, or create one of your own.
Unfortunately, that is the destiny of virtually every social media subreddit, chat room, or other group.
People tend to want to congregate with like-minded people, and it becomes especially easy for that to quickly devolve from a social group into an echo chamber. And as echo chambers grow and evolve, they tend to disapprove of dissenting opinions more and more. Anybody who has a dissenting opinion or otherwise is even willing to admit that maybe the other side has a point once in a while will quickly be seen as “traitors to the cause”. If you are not 100% with “us”, then you are 100% with “them”. There is no in between.
If this place takes off, the same will happen here. Subworlds, or whatever they’re called on here, will all have their own little niches with their own little echo chambers and their own little tribalism. It’s been that way since the dawn of social media, and it’s been that way since the dawn of time.
It is ironic that the internet was developed so people could hear and share ideas, and instead everybody largely just sought out their own little echo chambers. And even if you do find a small group of like minded individuals, that group is itself the exact echo chamber it seeks to avoid.
I feel a same. The Reddit exodus is not going to help things. All the r/politics users are going to move to c/politics.
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No, it’s not. You’re not an enlightened tolerant and rational human being by claiming both sides are equally at fault.
Just one example: I’d agree with you, if both sides would make equally as many false claims. But that’s not the case..
It’s not “Only your side is bad and my side is good”. There ARE liars on both sides. But that shouldn’t lead to the conclusion that both sides are telling equally as much lies.
Why is that so important? Because you would totally miss out on the rhetorical tactics they use to push their agenda. Take Trump’s caravan, Hunter’s laptop, false election claims. All of them were lies, but had a massive impact. Show me equally as bad examples the Democrats use to push their narrative.
Also, you can check, if you are open minded or not with the help of something called falsifiability. Ask yourself:
- What kind of proof would change my mind about this?
- Is there substantial proof?
- (Don’t) change your mind.
You might be the catalyst to stop that from happening. Just list all the ways that Republicans are improving life every day in this great country.
I think you may want to branch out and look for policy discussion groups or political science groups. Something like that may not be up a d running yet either.I think its pretty obvious that many of reddits biggest subs would end up feeling similar here on lemmy because we all for the most part just came from reddit. Its kind of amazing how everyones at the same time like “fuck reddit!” But also. “Ok lets make a new reddit over here…”
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After letting this post marinate for a week, I can confidently say that this community is in fact just a clone of the biased echo camber that is r/politics. Im all for relevant news on politics but this isnt the place for that. Every post on the frontpage can be summed up as “republicans bad.”(except the one about Jake Paul’s energy drink lol) The world is too big to have such a narrow view. Lemmians, lemmitors, lemmitarians… stop buying in to the 2 party system. Look at the issue not the party tied to it.
I too lean left and I absolutely agree that the constant bashing from both sides is really annoying. This also doesn’t apply to american politics only (I’m from Germany).
Politics have turned into some weird twisted show of “see how bad the other party is” instead of “see what good our party has done.” Its surely is a circus and the public eats it up.
Democrats are trying to say “see what good our party has done”. The problem is that the Republicans are shouting “See how bad the other party is” much, much louder.
Doesn’t matter how much of an adult you are trying to be. The screaming baby on the other side of the room that’s pulling a constant temper tantrum and throwing his toys around wildly is the one that’s going to get the attention.
In context of this post and the context of this community, that is not the case. Look at the frontpage and tell me that with a straight face.
It depends on what he meant by “Politics”. I was discussing the state of politics in general in this country. You would be correct if he’s merely talking about the state of this community.
Because the Republicans are aggressively pushing this tribal culture war and it never should get normalized. They deserve to get called out on it.
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No, it’s not. You’re not an enlightened tolerant and rational human being by claiming both sides are equally at fault.
Just one example: I’d agree with you, if both sides would make equally as many false claims. But that’s not the case..
It’s not “Only your side is bad and my side is good”. There ARE liars on both sides. But that shouldn’t lead to the conclusion that both sides are telling equally as much lies.
Why is that so important? Because you would totally miss out on the rhetorical tactics they use to push their agenda. Take Trump’s caravan, Hunter’s laptop, false election claims. All of them were lies, but had a massive impact. Show me equally as bad examples the Democrats use to push their narrative.
Also, you can check, if you are open minded or not with the help of something called falsifiability. Ask yourself:
- What kind of proof would change my mind about this?
- Is there substantial proof?
- (Don’t) change your mind.
I dont know if you were triggered or just needed to vent, but could you please stay on topic.
Unfortunately, yes. The entire world is a shitshow right now and it’s really sad. We could’ve come so far by now.
