and the options are sugar, sugar, sugar, sugar, or water
And diet sugar
’ll have a number 6 with extra dip. Big Smoke: I’ll have two number 9s, a number 9 large, a number 6 with extra dip, a number 7, two number 45s, one with cheese, and a large soda. Make that diet, I’m trying to watch my weight.
To be fair, the alcoholic menu us typically like this too. 95% of the menu is beer, wine, or vodka and some kind of syrup.
Even if it’s not on the menu, it’s not like you can’t get X neat or on the rocks.
^ This. Diet Coke/Pepsi if you’re LUCKY. Otherwise, water.
Do you people’s restaurants not serve iced tea?
In some states iced tea would also be full of sugar. And “hot tea” is a dry teabag next to a cup of warmish water.
As an iced tea enjoyer, who has been to almost 40 states that is absolutely untrue. I’ve never been to any restaurant that serves sweet tea but does not serve unsweetened as well. Some places especially in the north don’t consistently have either, but in my experience, if they have one they always have the other
Nope. Plenty of places in the midwest only carry unsweet and “flavored”, not regular sweet tea. The flavor is usually extra sweet fruit flavored syrup like raspberry or peach.
Okay fair enough, I haven’t been to many Midwestern states, especially rural areas of those states. I was more referring to places carrying only sweet tea and not unsweet
Here in Canada it is mostly just sweet tea
I have been all over the continental United States of America, except California, Washington, Arizona, Nevada, and that other state up there between California and Washington that I always think is Vermont, driving a truck and have literally never been to a place that had sweet tea but not unsweet.
I’ve seen a few the other way around, but that was in New England, about as far from sweet tea culture as you can get.
Maybe a gas station or a fast food joint that use the syrups instead of brewed, but you don’t want to drink that shit
I live in GA, where if you order tea it will be defaulted to sweet tea. However, I have never seen a place that doesn’t have unsweet - you just have to order it that way.
The trick is “Unsweetened Ice Tea”, which not everyone has. :(
Afaik, the only other options besides what you listed for beverages anywhere is milk, coffee and tea. And depending where you get them, the coffee and tea may as well just be sugar (or aspartame) too.
Well, coming from a tropical country to the US was a disappointment there. I used to be able to get a variety of freshly squeezed juices almost anywhere, and the only thing they serve around here are bottled OJ’s that barely taste like orange. It’s not even like there’s a limited variety at the grocery store, it’s just not a thing…
Most juice has a lot of sugar. The ones that don’t don’t generally taste that good.
But bottle OJ tasting like shit is a real thing, they have to do so much to it to get it to last for more than a week on the shelf that all the flavor is sucked out of it.
idk, I make them at home with no sugar and it’s pretty good. But I guess expecting the sweet stuff plays a factor on your perception.
Yeah no added sugar. The juice generally contains enough sugar on it’s own. Fruit juice is about as nutritious as a soda. You’re taking the sweet part of the fruit and leaving behind the fiber and other nutrients.
Fruit juice is about as nutritious as a soda
Not even close. Different kinds of sugar, preservatives, and vitamins all have vastly different ratios.
Different kinds of sugar are all sugar when they get to your gut. Anything beyond “the body treats this like sugar” is just a pissing contest.
When you juice something, you’re leaving 95% of the nutrients in the fruit, extracting the sugar water, and telling yourself you’re drinking healthy. That’s just not the case. The meat of the fruit is where that stuff is at. The fact that some of it makes it in to the juice is incidental. It would be better to drink a glass of water and eat the orange, than to juice the orange. Unless you then throw the juice away and just eat what’s left of the orange. That’s probably the best thing.
Sugar is sugar, HFCS found in sodas and juice with added sugars is more concentrated, but your body still sees it and treats it as sugar.
Which it also just happens to see as something to hoard because for our entire evolutionary timeline sugar was a rare resource to be had. It wasn’t until the industrial revolution that we began being able to have sugar whenever and however we wanted. Which on the timeline of evolution is nothing but a blimp, a speck of sand.
Even 100% freshly juiced fruit juice with no additives is a sugar bomb.
different kinds of sugar
Fructose isn’t good for you, either.
Sugar is sugar.
It really doesn’t matter if it’s naturally occurring or added after the fact. It’s sugar.
Debating what kinds of sugar are better for you is kind of like debating which landmine is better to step on.
Don’t get me wrong, the occasional sugary beverage is fine. But juice is never going to be good for you. Even arguably.
You’re trading HFCS for plain old sugar. Most fruits are approximately 50/50 fructose and glucose, while HFCS is between 42% and 55% fructose, with the balance being glucose.
Chemically and biologically, they are basically the same.
Juice is still pretty sugary, even fresh squeezed. They naturally have sugars in them which is why they are sweet. While a lot of premade juice also includes added sugars. There was a study posted somewhere on Lemmy not too long ago that showed most American’s sugar intake came from fruit juices and not sodas as previously thought.
Mocktails, a whole new world
I mean, I just annoyed that milk isn’t even an option in a lot of restaurants. It’s something so basic, like.
actually milk is slightly acidic
jk
Sorry, the milk is for the kids’ menu. You can’t order from that.
Check the menu for items that require milk as an ingredient. You might be able to order a glass even if it isn’t on the menu.
Like milksteak?
Like anything with a bechamel-based sauce or gravy, or custard/pudding/flan, or pancakes, etc.
Unless you are at an extremely expensive or extremely small restaurant, their sauces come premade in a bag from Cisco.
To order for a kid? Or the sloppy steak?
OMG - i had forgotten the sloppy steak!
Are you a cat?
Yes.
I’ve been in plenty where you could just order milk. 🤷
Though usually those are chain restaurants that prioritize breakfast, might be why.
Despite what Lucille Bluth believes, vodka doesn’t bad in a few days after opening bottle. Milk goes bad quickly.
They usually have the milk on hand for cooking, or just the kids menu. If my family of 4 can easily go through 2 gallons a week, I can’t imagine a resteraunt having problems using up milk before it goes bad unless they over-purchase
If the restaurant has a kids menu, it also has milk.
I like how the small fraction of adults that drink milk are downvoting you for actually giving helpful advice. Lol
What’s wrong with water? I usually just get water and ask for lemon slices to squeeze into it. Which is a game changer and they always have on hand because of the alcoholic drinks lmao
This annoys me so badly.
I don’t drink carbonated beverages, so when I go into a place and don’t want beer then my options are basically coffee or water.
Fine in the mornings, but I don’t want a coffee at 5PM. So I guess it’s just water then huh
i’m a hydrohomie, i would be/am more than fine with that.
Don’t forget fake sugar. And most of that “sugar” is actually corn we tricked into tasting like sugar.
I honestly hope you are making some attempt at a joke, and I’m just failing to get it…
I think it’s a high fructose corn syrup joke, but that’s more like squeezing all the sugar out of a cob of corn and pretending it’s juice concentrate in my mind.
I feel like this joke would have landed better 5, or maybe even 3 years ago. Every even remotely fancy restaurant I go into has jumped on the mocktail bandwagon and offers plenty of options for people avoiding alcohol.
Of course they do. They sell them equally expensive without the expensive ingredients!
Basically water and a little juice, and they charge $8.
Really? They’re kind a third of the price here.
Not everyone does it. Shady places charge equal price for virgin cocktails.
You are paying for way more than the sum of the parts when you order a cocktail, I’m not really sure why you’d suddenly be concerned about doing so when it comes to a mocktail.
Price of drinks have very little relation to the price of alcohol.
Edit: in the US. Other places might have more esoteric booze tax schemes.
Even then, it’s not really accurate anyway. A cocktail is a bunch of ingredients mixes together. You can usually get them without the alcohol if you ask for it (obviously this doesn’t work for every drink). They list of cocktails is so large because there’s a lot of ways to combine a few ingredients to make different things. They don’t actually stock that many types of drinks or anything. They’re made on demends, and can usually be modified if you ask.
Cocktails without alcohol cost way too much for what they are. That would be like paying 15 bucks for a burger without meat.
Restaurants sometimes also have like dozens of types of beer, wine, etc. but the best non-alcoholic they can do is a water or a coca cola softdrink?
If you can remove the alcohol from any “cocktail” and still have more than just flavored ice or a dirty glass, you were drinking slightly alcoholic mocktails the whole time.
Old Fashioned mocktail is a cherry on top of a large ice cube that you’ve used to bludgeon some sugar and an orange.
A Sazerac mocktail is akin to an empty glass someone just drink a sweet lemony drink from. You don’t get the lemony drink, just the dirty glass.
A margarita mocktail is salty lime flavored ice. This is basically a daquiri mocktail too, adding a strawberry seems popular.
A Manhattan mocktail is a sweetened cherry in an otherwise empty glass.
A mojito mocktail is a bit more substantial, minty sugar water with a hint of lime.
A mint julep mocktail, again just minty sugar water.
A white Russian mocktail is just a glass of cream over ice.
A mimosa mocktail is just a nearly empty glass of orange juice.
The non-alcoholic parts of a cocktail are rarely more than a quarter of the volume if they’re made properly. Most cocktails are a half oz of sugar water and a citrus flavor. The other 2/3 of the volume (not counting the ice) is alcohol. Just order a soda, soda water (with or without a garnish), tea, or my favorite a Topo Chico and lime.
One virgin martini please. Stirred.
handed cool glass with three olives in it
Thank you, kind sir!
Hey man, over half of that vodka is water anyway, so it’s all just a glass of water with some bitters.
First of all, a vodka martini isn’t a classic martini. That’s why you have to say “vodka” before martini if that’s what you’re ordering. A martini is made at any reputable establishment with gin. I’m sure you could say “rum martini” and any established bartender would raise an eyebrow but make your order.
That said, I order my martini the same way every time: pure Everclear stirred with a single ice cube. Wave a bottle of vermouth over the glass while looking in the direction of France.
One olive or three, never even numbers. I’m not a savage.
Then after I’ve vomited on the bar, they wheel me home on a dolly.
Edit: my actual standard order is Beefeater, extra dry, one olive. Keep it simple and classic.
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I was just in Dublin and saw Guinness 0.0 in a bunch of places. Things are definitely shifting if that can exist in Ireland.
That’s great news! Occasionally I browse the NA beers and last week I thought how great it would be to be able to drink a Guinness! Maybe it arrives here sometime.
they do sell them in the US
I’ve not had it, but someone (who also likes regular Guinness) told me that Guinness zero was genuinely great. Need to check it out sometime.
It really is. Like a lot of non alcoholic is crap (maybe if you’re a rare drinker it’s passable and unnoticeable). But Guinness 0.0 tastes very close to real Guinness. I’m not sure i could tell the difference in a blind test honestly.
At least in North America. I get the sense Europe still thinks drinking is cool across the board.
Alcohol has been an essential facilitating element of human socialization in every human civilization since Mesopotamia
Which is cool
Which is cool
I disagree for health and a bunch of other reasons.
There’s a loneliness epidemic and low alcohol consumption rates are a contributor to that
Getting drunk and then talking to a bunch of people you don’t know is how people meet people. That’s an essential and long running aspect of human socialization.
If you regularly talk to new people and make friends in other ways then that’s fine. But clearly the majority of Lemmy/Reddit users aren’t doing that. And young people in general aren’t doing it either. Meeting strangers irl and chatting them up is how you make friends and alcohol facilitates that
There’s a loneliness epidemic and low alcohol consumption rates are a contributor to that
Are they? Sincere question, haven’t read a report or something like that on that topic.
Regarding the remaining part, I understand how you see that. Seems logical. However, I would claim that this is more of a problem in societies mindset itself and less one tied to alcohol consumption. If people are raised in a way that they learn how alcohol is necessary, and don’t learn other ways, if it’s even incorporated in the particular culture of a society, then it’s not surprising that those people have a hard time finding new friends.
There are plenty of counter examples, e.g., look at other cultures where alcohol is even forbidden or at least its consumption clearly discouraged. Even in western cultures there are plenty of people who found and prefer other ways. But sure, may of course not be the majority yet.Regarding a loneliless epidemic, I guess there is also a lot more to it than alcohol consumption alone. For example I have picked up on smartphone usage / social media consumption as related on that. (Which is a very superficial statement now, I haven’t read up on that.)
I really don’t understand this site’s/reddit’s fear of alcohol. Moderate drinking is not a problem. And it does assist with socializing, which seems like it would be beneficial for most people on here.
The idea that people here are afraid of/resistant to drinking, yet will use cannabis and other materials seems very strange. Just go to the bar and meet some people - it’s fun and it won’t hurt you. Alcoholism is obviously an issue, but alcoholism isn’t caused by moderate drinking. Just don’t be an idiot and you don’t have anything to worry about
Moderate drinking is not a problem.
From a health perspective, it certainly is.
No level of alcohol consumption is safe for our health.And it does assist with socializing
Which is a cultural thing. If people grow up seeing how alcohol is a social catalysator, they don’t learn that it’s perfectly possible to socialize without alcohol.
which seems like it would be beneficial for most people on here.
Idk, if that comes from a well-meant place, but it sounds kinda condescending.
The idea that people here are afraid of/resistant to drinking, yet will use cannabis and other materials seems very strange.
There are not just two kinds of people. From my experience those, who use cannabis or other drugs, are inclined towards alcohol use as well.
Human sacrifice was also pretty popular for a pretty long time, as was autocracy. Alcohol isn’t that bad, obviously, if bad at all, but age isn’t a good argument on it’s own.
Also; factually inaccurate. I’m not sure how much evidence of alcohol there is in the New World civilisations, and Islam, which forbids it, has been around for a millennia and a half.
Alcohol isn’t that bad, obviously, if bad at all,
Depends on what you understand by “bad”. Regarding health, it certainly is.
Yep. It also causes a lot of social disorder and addiction. The argument for it is that people like it.
If it wasn’t clear from context, I meant socially or ethically.
Socially or ethically, I think I know what you mean.
I am being pedantic now and say that it can even be bad socially and ethically as a consequence of that or as a consequence of health concerns.
You can’t ban something unless it exists and is a part of your society. Alcohol existed prior to Islam in Arabia and still exists there today. Legal Prohibitions do not cause a substance to disappear.
Alcohol is just fermented grain. Everyone had grain. Therefore everyone had alcohol. Including the Americas
So yes, there is evidence of alcohol consumption in the New World prior to European contact. Indigenous peoples in various parts of the Americas developed fermented beverages from local ingredients long before Europeans arrived.
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North America: Various tribes produced alcoholic drinks from berries, maize, and other native plants. For example, the Apache made tiswin from corn, and the Chicha was popular among many tribes in North America.
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Central America: The Aztecs brewed pulque from the sap of the agave plant. This drink was not only consumed for enjoyment but also held religious significance.
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South America: Chicha, a beer made from maize, was widely consumed across the Andean region. This beverage was integral to social and ceremonial functions.
These indigenous beverages varied widely in production, ingredients, and cultural significance but demonstrate that alcohol consumption was indeed present in the New World prior to European contact.
Chicha can be made from any fruit with glucose in it, it’s basically another word for alcohol.
Fair enough. It looks like pulque, at least, was recorded as not being used recreationally, which is probably what I was remembering, but even that I doubt, just based on human nature.
It’s still highly unlikely Alpharabius ever discussed political philosophy over a beer. There might have been local Jews that could supply it, but the cultural taboo would have long since been totally integrated. It wasn’t ye olde prohibition or something. And it’s still not supported that drinking is objectively, universally desirable in some aesthetic sense, which is kind of what “it is cool” suggests in the original context.
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Some this has to do with shelf life. Beverages containing alcohol have a long shelf life. A restaurant is not going to take losses on having 50 kinds of juice or whatever on hand. Another angle to this is that a lot of the drinks on the alcoholic menu are cocktails, so just combinations of other shit they have. Finally, what adult is just drinking milk? Have some water, it is good for you.
Is this coming from experience or are you just kind of guessing? There are plenty of cocktails that use non-shelf stable stuff that you can get anywhere. On top of that, the new movement towards providing non-alcoholic drinks on the menu just reuses these same ingredients in different ways.
I’ve worked on both sides of the house for 14 years and I’m in management now. The issue is once you open products, not when they’re sitting there. Sitting there is also an issue, however, as stock that doesn’t move still incurs costs. I work on the institutional side now and we only provide nonalcoholic beverages, but they are either single serve or cheap bulk prep. These are not what people are expecting at a restaurant. Many items in cocktails also have long shelf lives after opening or are cheap/move quickly.
Many items in cocktails also have long shelf lives after opening or are cheap/move quickly.
This is why I think we see variations on actual cocktails so much…you have it, it’s open, so move it.
Exactly. It’s like having a breakfast only restaurant. You can make a menu of 50 entrees by combining 8 main ingredients with various cooking methods and spices.
With having IBD I’m pretty much limited to water or milk. I’m absolutely going to drink milk when I can because I get fed up drinking water multiple times a day every fucking day.
I guess, I primarily drink water. I’m not restricted in the same way, but I’m an innate fat fuck, so water is my drink of choice. I’m surprised milk wouldn’t inflame IBD.
The concept of being fed up with water is so alien to me. Water doesn’t have some powerful, delicious flavor but the sensation of drinking water is almost always one of satisfying refreshment.
How can you be irritated by water? “Damn it, this is only exactly what my body needs!”
Seems like a huge failure in their nutrition education.
Drink water for your hydration, everything else is a treat and not hydration.
This thread clears up to me why so many people have digestive issues and/or obesity.
Idk, I like other beverages as well, but I’ve only ever been disappointed by water when it has contaminants I can taste.
Sounds more like you dislike bad water. I think well filtered water at this point is table stakes.
Especially if you live in the US where you either have a leaf service line or more PFAS than you’d believe
Some people crave or have to have some kind of flavor with their liquids or they don’t want it. I have known multiple people who thought water tasted gross, which is somewhat legit because I had to get used to the different water taste when I went to school on the opposite side of town, but they just thought any kind of water was gross. They’d always have a soda or coffee or something.
My issue isn’t flavor necessarily, its carbonation. But plain/unsweetened soda water is gross and soda streams aren’t worth it to make my own infused water.
Hydrohomies tho
My wife has colitis and dairy fucks her up 😮
Can you drink tea?
The milk is for parents.
I just like having milk with every meal. I don’t like water and having dinner with a fizzy drink is just wrong.
What do you mean you dont like water? You mean that liquid that makes you die if you dont have any for a couple days?
Milk is absolutely disgusting during a meal since it gets so warm and gross.
Milk is absolutely disgusting during a meal since it gets so warm and gross
Historically, milk was generally consumed warm. Breasts aren’t kegerators.
Historically it was only consumed by babies too.
Evidence suggests those that can tolerate lactose as adults are descended from farmers who drank milk to survive during seasons of bad yields.
Milk is full of great vitamins and minerals. I haven’t verified this claim but I heard someone say recently a person can entirely meet their entire nutritional needs on purely milk and potatoes, which doesn’t sound super pleasant to have as a diet, it’s certainly an easy baseline to meet
Sounds plausible. The main thing peds worry about for toddlers primarily subsisting off milk is iron deficiency. Potatoes have iron and vitamin c.
Milk is absolutely delightful with greasy foods. When are you supposed to drink it if not with meals?
I hate milk. I use oat milk with my coffee and that is it
Milk is disgusting with all foods, or by itself
Your taste buds are defective buddy
Nope. I don’t eat chalk either
No it doesn’t. Milk can stay cold for ages. Like I would have any meal gone within 10 minutes.
Consuming a meal in less than ten minutes is really not indicative of healthy eating habits.
Uh why? I eat most of my meals in about that amount of time when I eat by myself. like how long does it take to eat a fuckin sandwich lmao, or a bowl of pasta? And I don’t have any eating disorders, I’m not at an unhealthy weight. I just … eat.
Just because it’s essential for life doesn’t mean that people have to like it. I really don’t like drinking water unless it’s just out of the fridge or cooler. I always add cordial to it.
I used to think like this in high school until I joined football and learned how much I loved water during practice, now I carry a water bottle everywhere for a swig whenever I get a slight thirst
I do drink frequently when I go cycling or walking.
Respectfully, what the fuck?!
Not judging you on your milk drinking, but drinking too much milk can have serious side effects. Humans weren’t biologically made to drink milk their whole lives.
They weren’t biologically made to drink alcohol or eat big macs their whole lives either yet here you are.
Yeah, this is a hella weird comment in an alcohol thread. That stuff is actually toxic, and popular mainly because of it.
What’s with Lemmy’s obsession with water? Most people know that water is the best thing to drink but this site is preachy as fuck about it.
The hydrohomies are all grown up, I guess?
I haven’t actually seen that.
Everyone knows alcohol is poison. Not many people know the side effects of drinking too much milk. You could actually become addicted to it and it would become a problem. I had a friend who had some trouble with it, which is why I typed that comment.
You’re getting downvoted but you’re actually correct. My grandfather was told by his doctor not to drink so much milk. He drank at least 3 glasses a day. I forget why but if you’re telling an 85 yo to stop doing something as a doctor, it probably has some bad short-term effects
Source? Addictive milk is kind of “out of left field” for me.
I don’t know how true this is, but I pulled this quote:
Indeed, the results suggest that milk is more addictive than cigarettes.
Very true, yet lactose intolerance is quite common among humans.
having dinner with a fizzy drink is just wrong.
Its not mandatory, but I’ll have you know this is incorrect.
What’s a milk drinker like you doing out here? Go home to your mother.
Sorry, my mom’s busy banging YO MAMMA!
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Wait
https://www.licor43.com/cocktails/blanco-43/
It’s great. Order it virgin for just milk.
This is not a very common cocktail at least in my area, so I’m sure most servers/ bartenders would have to google this. I can imagine the look on their face when they realized you actually ordered a glass of milk.
Yea, you heard. Order it, virgin!
I usually order mine extra fucked tbf.
The worst is when mocktails cost as much as cocktails. Like a non alcoholic whiskey sour will be $13, Shirley Temples are like $10
At least from my experience in NYC
What if I told you that you aren’t paying for the drinks but you’re renting the table/bar stool
For real, a shot of vodka doesn’t justify $13 for a drink, it’s the rent that does that
jokes on them, i’m just going to get water or fucking leave, i’m not paying 10 bucks for a beverage when you can buy soda at the store for 1$ per liter.
You wouldn’t be at the bar in the first place and if you were they’d want you to leave.
I’ve never order a mixed drink in my life. Got some flasks in college and will still take that and have a soda instead. With beers being $7 minimum I’m also starting to just slam a >9% IPA before going in and having water.
Margarita with tequila? $12. Margarita without tequila? $12.
Even worse now is the non-alcoholic spirits you can buy that legit cost as much as the original alcoholic version, and then they use that in a cocktail.
Yes it Does taste just like the proper cocktail but your kinda missing half the point of the drink…
In some cases mocktails have ingredients that are more complex and harder to make.
To be fair, how many baby cows are even coming to these restaurants??
Sir, this is a steak house. We have hundreds of baby cows come here every year.
Should be more than baby grapes!
Not sure about other countries, but the Russian branch of Burger King had some uniquely bad sense of humor when it came to their ads. The most known as was a wordplay between “Don’t get too spicy” and “Don’t shit yourself”, but there was another ad of chicken nuggets with a little chick in the corner saying something like “6 nuggets for 99 rubles!”. I found it hilarious to see a chick advertising their mom.
There’s the trend of restaurants having “mocktails”, which is cool, but they often charge for them based on their price for alcoholic beverages. I don’t really want a special lemonade for $14.
be me: go to restaurant => ouch ouch why is everything overpriced =< lol kek its 1 am and im drunk rn but the alcohol in coctails is not worth nearly 14 bucks you bellend
Who fucking drinks milk when they go to a restaurant - are you 5?
Restaurants menus lacking milk as a drinking option is definitely a positive for me - I do not wish to dine alongside whatever freak chooses to drink milk with their meal.
😟 it’s only a drink.
Cow boob juice is for baby cows. Human boob juice is for baby humans. Adults of any species should have developed past ingesting boob juice in childhood.
Come on dude. Don’t tell me you’ve never drunk milk as an adult. Be honest lmfao
I mean I’ve known that I’m lactose intolerant since I was 13 or something and I had to be be bribed to drink it before that so, yeah, it wasn’t hard to stay away from drinking straight milk into adulthood.
Learning this little factoid also helped immensely: Because of the mastitis epidemic in the U.S. dairy herd, the dairy industry continues to demand that American milk retain the highest allowable “somatic cell” concentration in the world. via: nutritionfacts.org, how much pus is there in milk?
also. drank. 🙂
I’ve never drank milk as an adult, and I honestly don’t know if I can think of anyone I’ve ever known that has ordered milk alone (not in coffee or something) as an adult and drank it. I’m not white though, so idk. But a lot of my friends and coworkers are, and I’ve never seen it.
Unless it’s in baking or coffee/drinks or cereal it’s pretty fucking weird to drink it
Maybe acceptable with certain desserts tbh. But not with an actual meal
I stopped drinking milk when I left home and moved to college… 30+ years ago.
I don’t think I’d really like giving up my present diet for the one that my hunter-gatherer ancestors were required by circumstance to eat.
And yet, the Mongols conquered Eurasia on it.
Yes, and milk was the singular reason they were able to. Turns out those Got Milk commercials had it right all along
A glass of milk or sometimes a chai with milk will literally be my breakfast some days.
Milk rules.
I like this interpretation of history. I guess that means the Wright brothers were drinking Red Bull?
More seriously, they drank milk because they were pastoralists with a lot of it, and because it’s something you can consume. Hell, they were even lactose intolerant; if you happen to be European or West African all the better. Not sure where this “it’s for kids” idea comes from, maybe it’s some kind of American cultural thing. (If you want to be really bio-deterministic, it’s for babies, older children are in the same group as adults)
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Why judge people over their choice of beverage?
Why can’t we all drink (or eat or be…) whatever we please without derogatory comments being made? What kind of a low is that?
Seriously.
Are you new to the internet?
The oldest kind of low. It’s sad, but you spot a bunch of humans, you can be sure that they are already judging you.
I’m gonna recognize that what I said came across way way more harsh than was intended, this was meant to be playful, as are my responses below - I seem to be learning that my tone and how I speak do not always translate well to being written - for this, I apologize. I do need to work on monitoring my snark levels.
I’d like to state - that you are more than welcome to drink or do what you want. I was attempting to razz op - not berate op… even though milk is straight up disgusting and I gag when people drink it by itself and I cannot understand why anyone would make that choice - it is their choice.
This is a me problem - not a them problem.
Have fun enjoying your gross animal juice everyone. I’ll just sit over here with my water.
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Criticizing alcohol consumption = you sleep
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Criticizing milk consumption = real shit
Also, let people dislike things. If Criticism diminishes your own enjoyment of a thing then you don’t actually like that thing
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you’ve never had 3am Waffle House chocolate milk?
That’s chocolate milk which is amazing at any time, the post implies plain white milk
I’m with them, it’s one of the things I just used to drink at home, especially to get the choc to milk ratio right
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Me? I can’t understand why this is such a weird thing to you people.
Might also depend on where you are. I understand that in Finland, it’s extremely common to drink milk all the time, whereas in East Asia, where adult lactose intolerance is the norm, adult milk consumption isn’t really a thing at all.
googles
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_milk_consumption_per_capita
Yeah, Finland’s #1.
Me? I can’t understand why this is such a weird thing to you people.
And yet you made this post which does the same thing re: alcohol consumption
Wine pairings with meals are a thing for a reason. Milk pairings, not so much
Because I’ve literally only known a single adult to opt into drinking milk and it was my 90 year old grandfather. Always thought it was super strange to like milk so much.
I once had to live with a guy that would go through 2-4 gallons in a week on his own and just let the empty jugs build up in (around) the recycle bin for weeks on end. Grew up on a dairy farm. Honestly I shouldn’t have to say more to tell you he was a freak.
Haha wow, yeah that’s pretty weird. I can’t stand the taste of milk, but I feel like even if I could, like anything else, it would get sort of sickening in such large quantities
Cause milk is calorie rich, it would be too much with a meal. Or more likely because I never ever thought of the possibility.
I’m just saying if I see anyone not eating from the kids menu drinking milk with a meal I’m going to judge you. I’m judging all of Finland.
milk is good
For making yorgurt and cheese
My homie, if you have never had the glory that is milk with a cheeseburger, you’re missing out.
Spaghetti? Bomb.
Burritos? Bomb
I can keep going, and even explain how and why various foods can be paired with milk and not only be as good as any other beverage, but can sometimes be better. It isn’t every food, but it works often enough to be worth trying.
How does it feel to be so confident yet so so wrong?
How does it feel to be a jackass?
tone hard to convey online. sometimes sly sarcasm comes across as uber douche - apologies. Im glad you like milk - I think it’s disgusting by itself.
In a similar train of thought, have you tried having (good) orange juice with Mexican food? I used to love having it once in a while when we brought home Rosa’s. Never did at a restaurant. Not a complete heathen. 😁
Villains
why would you not? milk taste good mmmm
especially if i’m at a less fancy restaurant and i’m ordering a dish with mashed potatoes and gravy, milk is 100% the appropriate beverage.
Who fucking drinks milk when they go to a restaurant
Autism is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be … unnatural
I’ll give you this one.
This is my favorite thread, just everyone arguing over milk
This thread has been so weird for me because apparently something I’ve always done without ever giving any thought to is weird to people. I don’t give a fuck. It’s all in jest, anyways.
I thought I was gonna start some shit by saying it’s more like being a vegan at a restaurant, but I see everyone’s already fighting.
MiLK Is fOr bABieS
Baby cows
I’ll have what he’s having
Username checks out.
“Cow boob juice is for baby cows” idk why they’re being down voted so hard, that shit is gold
Why’d you type that fact all weird?
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It was originally popularised by the mocking spongebob meme but its use can be traced back even earlier, according to Wikipedia.
Is this really the first time in your life that you’ve realized that drinking milk as an adult is unusual?
I find it pretty disgusting to even watch on TV or something (McPoyles), but I don’t sit around staring at people eating or drinking things that I find distasteful so I can judge them; in general I try to not judge people for having different tastes and tolerances than me.
We could definitely have a dinner and you can have a tall frothy glass of milk right from the cow’s udder with it. If you’re fun to talk to and aren’t mean, we good.
Almost 70% of the global population of adult humans are lactose intolerant. Whether you think drinking milk as an adult is weird or not, it isn’t something most human adults can easily do without digestive problems, and, because of that, it’s somewhat unusual to many people.
Edit: I definitely think of drinking milk as a white people thing. Similarly I think of men showering without using a washcloth as a white people thing. Neither are true of all white people, they’re just stereotypes I have, I guess.
It’s extremely regional though. Lactose intolerance is definitely the minority in the English-speaking world that would be on here.
English is the most spoken language in the world.
Demographically speaking, the highest percentage of lactose tolerant people are some variation of white, western or northern European. So in that sense, yes, it is a very narrowly defined segment of adults in terms of regional location and/or regional derivation for whom the majority of adults can comfortably drink a glass of milk.
Are you subtly trying to say you assume most people on Lemmy are white? Or rather that somehow speaking English contributes to the ability to create the lactase enzyme? Both seem like incorrect assumptions at best. Regardless, dismissing 70% of the planet because you just arbitrarily assume they aren’t on Lemmy is… weird.
Perhaps you just meant you assume the majority of people on Lemmy are American or European? In which case you’re still looking at 40% of adults that can’t easily digest milk. That’s just the people physically predisposed to find it disgusting. There is surely also some amount of people that are lactose tolerant that also think adults drinking a glass of milk is weird.
It’s pretty clear just by reading this thread that there pretty mixed opinions about the idea of an adult drinking a glass of milk. Some find it viscerally disgusting and others find it completely normal.
English is the most spoken language in the world.
I assume you mean languages that are either spoken as a first or second language, because if you just look at native speakers, more people speak Mandarin than English.
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Please keep it civil. :) The discussion was fine so far. What made you react so angry?
Yeah, I’m assuming most people are American or European. I think 40% is a high estimate, but even among the lactose intolerant people I know in real life, I’ve never met one who thinks drinking milk is weird. Most even consume dairy products, just lactose-free versions or enduring the consequences.
I’m sure you “think” a lot of things. Unless you hang out exclusively with white people, there are a lot of people that think drinking a glass of milk is weird. They just don’t tell you, because they’re polite.
If you’re in the United States, perhaps you’ve heard of the show It’s Always Sunny in Philadelphia. The show characterizes the McPoyles as particularly weird people. One of the ways they create that characterization? Them guzzling milk.
Dairy “products” are a different concern. Most people produce some level of lactase, but a glass of cow’s milk is a separate thing.
Aged cheese, for instance, is a different thing. Why would aging cheese add distinct flavors? Because bacteria is digesting the sugars (lact-OSE) and converting it into other things.
I love cabot cheddar myself for cheap stuff. If you want to know the lactose content of cheese or other dairy products, if there are no added sugars, just check the sugar content. That’s lactose. If it says zero, it’s near zero.
I’ve never met an adult in my life, of any color, that orders a glass of milk and drinks it. I’m sure it happens, but I guess just not in the circles I run in.
You’d have to actually be around people regularly to see that it’s unusual. If you’re just in your own house or with the same people every time you go out, then no one is going to mention it.
Honestly, it’s unusual. I make a high salary and part of my job requires regularly socializing with new people–clients, investors, new friends, etc.
I’ve never seen a grown adult order a glass of milk and drink it. I wouldn’t judge someone for doing it, but I would criticize their perspective if they thought that was normal, and I would try to figure out the context they’re from where that’s normal behavior, purely out of curiosity. If they’re already in a social environment with me, there’s already some social capital committed, so I’m interested to know more about why someone would think that’s normal behavior.
“Internet guy that likes Halo” does not qualify, so, while I think you’re being obtuse, I don’t care enough about you to continue this conversation.
Your reply is kinda snotty in reading
Oh no.
There is lactose free cow water. Also, plant based milk doesn’t have lactose.
me: i’d like a glass of milk
them: sorry that’s only on the kids menu
me: you mean you can’t pour me a glass of milk unless i order from a special menu? what if i wanted coffee
them: oh then we can bring you milk
me: ok then i’ll order a coffee and just have the milk
them: sorry can’t do that.
My friend ordered an omelette without the eggs before, and it worked. A server wouldn’t sell me a double shot of Jager because it was “too much alcohol” but had no problem selling me two single shots at once.
All depends on how accommodating your server is.
Double shots are illegal to serve in a fair number of places, so I am betting that is the case.
In Texas you can’t buy a pitcher of beer if you’re by yourself
Just another reason Texas sucks.
In most areas, you can’t buy that pitcher by yourself. At best, you have to request 2 glasses and hide in a corner to drink that pitcher by yourself.
Yeah … source that claim. I’d believe in most places in the Bible Belt have rules like that. But, I have personally ordered pitchers in several different states and had zero need to demonstrate that I’m party to a party.
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me: i’ll order the kids menu then, just so i can have my milk
them: sorry can’t do that. you’re over the age of 13
I’ve never had that problem. I basically always order milk anytime I eat out. Sometimes they only give me a kids portion or even a kids cup (it was extra funny when my wife ordered it for me and I was away from the table changing a diaper while visiting family), but usually I get a full glass of milk
Alcohol gives me the shits. Milk gives me the shits. I’d rather just have water.
Water? Fish shit in it.
And fuck.
So do I
You also have shit inside you.
Huh. When you swim in the sea, you’re a shit-covered shit sack.
That’s enough thinking for today.
speak for yourself, fluid only diet
food goes in, food goes out right away
You don’t like water?
Best beverage ever. Personally I couldn’t live without it
Yeah and almost any other drink contains water, what an effin’ rip-off!
/s
That is why I only drink pure vegetable oil.
Milk is for babies. When you grow up you have to drink beer.
Arnold Schwarzenegger
Lol, this is especially the case when it’s my turn to be the designated driver in the group 🤣
At least I’ll stay hydrated! Hydrohomies for life!
I myself was a water bro first, only recently a hydrohomie.
Adults: Look at these tiktok kids eating tide pods!
Also adults: Waiter please pour me a glass of your finest toxin!
Ah, but it’s a very old pool of toxin, cooked over rotten plant matter from a swamp and aged in an obsolete form of container, and it made them significantly poorer to order it! /s
