Except… That’s not what democracy relies on. Democracy relies on discourse of views, even if they are unpopular. Tolerating only the prevailing opinion isn’t a democracy, it’s an autocracy.

Agreed. Tankies are right-wing authoritarians in that communism is supposed to be stateless. They bitch about US imperialism but are always very quiet about China’s actions in Africa. It’s frustrating because like I get it. America has some pretty deep problems but to think that somehow it is worse than China is mindlessly reactionary.

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Nonsense.

Corporatism where the employers play a central role in the running of the state was a foundation of fascism.

Not in the least. Studied in Germany.

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I’ve made a special exception to hexbear users who’ve been brigading almost all post last about China and Russia since you federated again.

1. Would you not agree that China and Russia are highly political topics?
2. We seem to have different understandings of federation and brigading. Can you pls define what you mean exactly and how these concepts differentiate from each other? I can tell you from our perspective this thread is on our front-page. Like you (@lemmy.one) as us (@hexbear.net) are federated to @lemmy.ml and we each see the same post. We are both “guests” to that instance. Also since China and Russia are highly political topics why wouldn’t be commenting on here?

You’ve been telling everyone how you feel about libs since you federated, so I’m sure you will continue with or without me.

That was not the point I was making. I was telling you that you can litterally take that paragraph you wrote and paste it into any polarizing subreddit and get a bunch of upvotes in each ingroup… Reread what you wrote from our perspective… Don’t you see how we’d say it fits on you too? (If you’re having trouble: imagine you’re us and roleplay it, see if it fits then). You created copy pasta…

I know it’s tough to face the light and meet the wider world, but outside the basement you’ve been keeping yourself. You should expect that people giggle at your idiocy, at best.

I know it’s tough to face the light and meet the wider world, but outside the basement you’ve been keeping yourself for three years, you should expect that people giggle at your idiocy, at best.

Im so glad you got through that. I hope your doing well for yourself. 👍

I am once again asking liberals to either learn how federation works, or go back to reddit.

This is also why it is so weird and unnecessary to me when people just say that liberal democracy is the same thing as fascism. The fact that two things are linked or that one has tendencies that lead it to transform into, produce, be replaced by the other does not mean that they’re the same. Actually it implies the opposite, otherwise there would be no transformation to begin with.

Would you prefer “liberal democracy nearly inevitably leads to fascism”? Stage 1 cancer and stage 4 cancer are both cancer.

Which framework is that analysis based on, Frankfurt school or something later?

Thanks for the well-reasoned and nuanced take

For real though. It’s hardly difficult to find a bunch of leftists arguing about China lmao

Hey, since you already understand that the war on terror was a lie, I’d be interested in hearing your thoughts after listening to Blowback Season 2 and Season 3. They’re about Cuba and Korea. I grew up believing they were no good and completely evil, but there is a verifiable truth that is propagandized against in the west. You don’t even have to use non-western sources to get to that truth, it’s just that if you don’t know you’ve been lied to, there’s no reason to dig in.

It’s certainly not a single lie over the War on Terror that has led to our complete distrust of the American state.

the West is a far better influence on the world and care-taker of its citizens than China is

Simple statistics like literacy and life expectancy disagree with this assessment.

And let’s not get started on the Russian state

You won’t find much support for Russia on Hexbear. You’re mistaking our disdain for NATO as support for Russia. Russia is not the Soviet Union.

I understand that the US is the among the most evil and genocidal forces in human history.

I came to that realization through being duped.

That is a very important distinction. None of this comes from some petty sense of slight.

To consider the US a better influence on the world than China is not only laughable, it is obscene.

The US exterminated an entire continent of innocent people as the opening act to their crimes, and have only added to that list with every passing year. Never have they meaningfully repented or cleaned house from those acts.

It would be as if Nazi Germany survived for three centuries.

The US carried out nuclear murder to make a political point. The US butchered and destroyed the lives of billions in the global south and they aim to do the same to China next.

On balance, the West is a far better influence on the world

NATO has bombed and destroyed not just Iraq, but the majority of the middle east. It runs an occupation force today in Syria. NATO didn’t just destroy Iraq, it colonized Iraq’s agriculture, which is now dependent on imports from NATO while it feeds pasta to Texan schools. NATO has transformed Libya into an open air slave market, flooded Syria with weapons, backed Israeli Apartheid, blockaded Iran, couped the government of Pakistan, and caused a famine in Afghanistan on their way out by sanctioning yet another people. The little girls whose rights NATO countries cared about so very much then starved to death. Not for any reason, not to achieve any objective. But only out of spite.

NATO has couped and propagandized it’s way across Latin America. This is not ancient history. It is current and ongoing. It claims outright that they won’t stop blockading Venezuela until it’s oil is owned by american shareholders. So not only bombs, deaths by starvation and lack of medicine are perfectly fine for the organization. Just as Syrians and Chinese people have no right to territorial integrity, Cubans have had no right to ally with whoever they want for generations.

NATO runs an actual and currently existing Colonial Empire across Africa. One of it’s leading voices, France, owns the infrastructure, finances and natural resources of dozens of countries, assassinating its way into total dominance. Then it gives some scraps back to those colonies, and calls it ‘Foreign Aid’. Berating the poors for being so dependent. Once challenged, NATO has yet again chosen to starve people to death with trade wars on basic infrastructure, food, and medicine.

I’m Brazilian. When the Bolsonaro family was literally calling Chinese monkeys on twitter the Chinese were remarkably patient. The USA berates us for being ‘anti-american’ because we aren’t grateful of how Biden chose not to coup us last year. As if it’s not humiliating enough that a fascist in this country can draw on the history of America and outright ask the CIA for help staying in power. There are now US troops supporting the coup government of Peru. Right after coup attempts in Bolivia and Venezuela. We now watch as high ranking US government officials float the idea of invading Mexico, under the cover of a war on drugs. After years of waging it in Colombia and Central America. But we all know it’s because Mexico nationalized stuff that Americans don’t want to see owned by Mexicans.

There are no fucking standards for comparison. There are no regions of this world which do not witness current and ongoing hybrid wars waged by NATO countries at the behest of the USA.

The West is a defensive alliance between warmongerers. The Americans at least have the decency of wearing their thirst for blood on their sleeve. Democrat or Republican, they’ve all had their share of wars they enjoy supporting. It’s the Europeans who will cry on TV while sending volunteers to Iraq and Afghanistan.

I only pray for any people who is targetted by NATO’s eye of sauron. Or has to make do with sharing a border such an evil collection of governments.