Nah, fuck it, I’m fully pro whatever these people think the slippery slope is. Therian and otherkin rule. There should be litter boxes in classrooms. If a girl tells me she’s a dog, then bark bark, ya know? Literally fuck it.
why do Liberals tell on themselves so hard? They come into a thread to argue against farming sustainability and 5 posts later they sound like a british tory talking about peasant rights
I’m not even a liberal, but y’all are so chronically online and accustomed to being in a little echo chamber you can’t talk to anyone rationally.
I’ve never met a trans person IRL who needs me to remember 4 pronouns, or needs pronouns like “Fae”, but say something on Hexbear and you’re instantly transphobic liberal Hitler.
So silly, I live in an exceedingly queer part of a city and work in a business that is all queer people, so about 1/5 of everyone I work with is trans.
As far as I can tell, neopronouns are entirely a basement dweller thing.
Practice democratic centralism, this means for hexbear shut up and read up on trans rights . The struggle session was decided and in the better times you would’ve been banned a while ago.
No, it’s not trans people. It’s specifically just Hexbear, and it’s because you’ve been a tiny echo chamber so long y’all have lost touch with reality.
It wasn’t just gay bars. There was a specific effort by the government of the DDR to combat homophobia. Also, trans surgeries and hormones were fully funded by the state. You can read more about it here.
Yeah, in queer liberation zines back in the late 80s and early 90s, there were a fair amount of trans East Germans who were worried about the unification of Germany and what it would mean for their transition. I don’t have the sources on hand, but they were quite sobering.
This is great, thank you! It still seems to be that Cuba just caught up to the US in terms of gay marriage rights. There wasn’t much detail on trans rights. Cuba is far ahead of the US on abortion rights, thanks to a regressive SCOTUS.
I would argue that Western progress in regards to LGBT rights is less related to liberal ideology, and more so a temporary byproduct of the prosperity that was gained through exploitation of the global south. We can see this progress deteriorating in real time as this prosperity is starting to subside.
Edit: Liberalism, capitalism as a whole, are fundamentally based on competition and unequal distribution of wealth. Competition means there will always have to be both winners and losers, anyone can make it, but not everyone can make it. Capitalism means that someone will go empty. And in a society comprised of many different groups of people, as soon as there’s not enough for everyone, it will be the weakest groups, the minorities, who will be the first to get kicked off of the lifeboats.
I 100% agree with your critique of capitalism. It plays a zero sum game.
And actually you’ve made a really smart compelling point - even if liberalism is technically about the personal freedom to be trans, it also largely allows the personal freedom of someone else to discriminate against trans people.
So liberal ideals might have lofty aspirations about trans right, it’s a lot of feel good without actually protecting them.
Thank you for your input, you’ve changed my mind on some things.
Okay, I think neopronouns are dumb, but I will write out every single neopronoun ever created on paper over and over until I have each and every one memorized, if it meant gay conversion camps were all shut down and banned in exchange.
idk, considering that families disowning kids is a massive problem in terms of queer well being, it seems to me that a right to housing is a pretty important thing and the socialist states are way more consistent than liberal states on that one.
Some people use neopronouns. Get over it. I think they’re a bit weird too, but so what? If addressing something with weird pronouns affirms their gender identity, then fucking do it. Pretty much everyone I see complaining about neopronouns starts advocating for thanks genocide 5 min late. Consider that that is what you look like now
Cool, this is a chance for you to have a new experience and meet someone different.
I’m Apollo. I think neopronouns are stupid and come from a place of privilege and boredom.
I will never advocate genocide. I denounce genocide of any people, for any reason, as a war crime and an act of evil. I believe trans people deserve human rights, the right to medical procedures to transition, and the right to their desired gender pronouns.
So here is it, I will probably always say neopronouns are stupid, but agree that people have a right to be silly without fearing their well-being or health or safety because of it.
At least we agree that grammatical gender is a spook
Plenty languages don’t have “sex” based differentiation of pronouns, in so far the real neopronouns are things like he, him, she, her (which even in languages that have them became pronounced only in the last few centuries in the way you use and know them).
I quote Wikipedia here and give a list of languages which do not differentiate like you want them to:
Differenzierung nach Sexus
Sprachen ohne Sexusunterscheidung
Viele Sprachen kennen (teilweise ursprünglich) beim Pronomen der 3. Person Singular keine Unterscheidung nach dem Geschlecht des Referenten:
Einige Beispiele solcher Sprachen sind:
Indonesisch/Malaiisch, Madagassisch, philippinische Sprachen, Hawaiisch, Maori, Rapanui und andere austronesische Sprachen
Chinesisch, Birmanisch und andere sinotibetische Sprachen
Thai und andere Tai-Kadai-Sprachen
Vietnamesisch, Santali und andere Mon-Khmer-Sprachen
Swahili, Yoruba und andere Niger-Kongo-Sprachen
Türkisch, Tatarisch und andere Turksprachen
Luo und andere nilosaharanische Sprachen
Ungarisch, Finnisch, Estnisch und andere uralische Sprachen
Georgisch
Armenisch
Mapudungun
Baskisch
Persisch****
Durch Einfluss europäischer Sprachen haben einige der oben genannten Sprachen ein weibliches Pronomen eingeführt.
Im Hochchinesischen beispielsweise geschieht dies durch die Verwendung eines anderen Schriftzeichens (她) für das Pronomen der weiblichen 3. Person Singular (deutsch „sie“) seit dem Beginn des 20. Jahrhunderts. Die Aussprache bleibt dennoch identisch wie die des Pronomens der männlichen (ursprünglich geschlechtsneutralen) 3. Person Singular (他), sodass diese Unterscheidung in der gesprochenen Sprache nicht existiert bzw. nicht erkennbar ist. Des Weiteren wird 它 in der Volksrepublik China für Tiere und Sachen benutzt. Außerhalb der Volksrepublik China findet man 它 für Sachen, 祂 für Götter und 牠 für Tiere. Alle diese Schriftzeichen werden tā ausgesprochen. Auf Taiwan wird 妳 als weibliches Gegenstück zum allgemeinen Pronomen der 2. Person 你 verwendet. Beide Zeichen werden nǐ ausgesprochen.
Not an issue per se, but it reads like an alt-right satire of leftists.
The only reason I think it might be genuine is that I haven’t seen an attack/helicopter yet, and I know alt-right trolls would absolutely not be able to resist even if it gave the whole gig away.
I said that neopronouns are silly, I’ve learned that this means I am a transphobic liberal fascist that emits Hitler particles and puts me 5 minutes away from commiting genocide.
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hi liberal
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lmao liberal
Trans people don’t need 4 pronouns including things like “Fae” and “Doe”, or by “trans” you are you referring to “trans-species” people?
I’m not yet open minded on trans-species, I’ll grant you that.
You are not trans, shut the fuck up rn about what trans people need to an audience of primarily trans people on an aggressively pro trans instance
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Nah, fuck it, I’m fully pro whatever these people think the slippery slope is. Therian and otherkin rule. There should be litter boxes in classrooms. If a girl tells me she’s a dog, then bark bark, ya know? Literally fuck it.
real quick, before the mods ban you, post a well-lit picture of your penis. they’re very strict about this, so you don’t have much time.
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oh i see you’re a Liberal with a capital L
why do Liberals tell on themselves so hard? They come into a thread to argue against farming sustainability and 5 posts later they sound like a british tory talking about peasant rights
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Get your xerophthalmic ass off my board.
From what I can tell, this a malnutrition-induced condition causing dry eyes. What is this about?
FuckYourselfEndless is a bit account but ze is also a comrade
Trans rights are a liberal value. You can call yourself a liberal or a “maga leftist”, but that just means you’re lying about what you call yourself.
You’re just muddying the waters like a misinformation troll.
Seemingly not based on your comments, fuck off out of our instance
I’m not even a liberal, but y’all are so chronically online and accustomed to being in a little echo chamber you can’t talk to anyone rationally.
I’ve never met a trans person IRL who needs me to remember 4 pronouns, or needs pronouns like “Fae”, but say something on Hexbear and you’re instantly transphobic liberal Hitler.
You lost me at
So silly, I live in an exceedingly queer part of a city and work in a business that is all queer people, so about 1/5 of everyone I work with is trans.
As far as I can tell, neopronouns are entirely a basement dweller thing.
I’ll be going now. Actually, just one more thing, it’s probably nothing - didn’t you just say you don’t consider yourself a liberal?
I have many liberal values but I don’t identify as a liberal.
Liberalism had its place in pushing the envelope of progressivism for a while, but it’s not good enough.
Yes
you’re right, you’re a fascist. and we have strict rules for fascists. you need to post your hog real quick.
damn, you’re such a Liberal you had to respond to me twice about how much of a Liberal you totally aren’t
trans rights are human rights btw
You’re one of those fucking morons from r/stupidpol aren’t you?
Practice democratic centralism, this means for hexbear shut up and read up on trans rights
. The struggle session was decided and in the better times you would’ve been banned a while ago.
Go fuck yourself. You’re literally saying that transphobia is trans people’s fault. We do not tolerate that bullshit here.
No, it’s not trans people. It’s specifically just Hexbear, and it’s because you’ve been a tiny echo chamber so long y’all have lost touch with reality.
I’m sorry, what part of “Go fuck yourself” was not clear?
Probably the part where I was supposed to be bothered about something a stranger said to me online.
what kind of idiot wastes their time taking stances that aren’t strong anyhow? Give it 100% or don’t bother.
Damn way to dunk on the entire Hexbear instance.
Telling on yourself here.
Who would have guessed that the anticommunist would be a transphobe
Name one communist country that isn’t homophobic and transphobic.
Cuba has the most progressive family code in the world
The DDR had state-run gay bars when West Germany was still locking up gay people under anti-homosexuality laws passed by the Nazis
Can you give me a source to read on Cuba’s family code and what makes it the most progressive family code in the world?
Gay bars are a reallyy low bar for progressiveness.
It wasn’t just gay bars. There was a specific effort by the government of the DDR to combat homophobia. Also, trans surgeries and hormones were fully funded by the state. You can read more about it here.
Here are some sources on Cuba for your perusal:
Damn, I never knew all that about the DDR. Based
Yeah, in queer liberation zines back in the late 80s and early 90s, there were a fair amount of trans East Germans who were worried about the unification of Germany and what it would mean for their transition. I don’t have the sources on hand, but they were quite sobering.
The lib (fascist) won’t respond to this one but thank you!
Into the gas chamber with you
This is great, thank you! It still seems to be that Cuba just caught up to the US in terms of gay marriage rights. There wasn’t much detail on trans rights. Cuba is far ahead of the US on abortion rights, thanks to a regressive SCOTUS.
Here is a summary of its contents. It was ratified by popular referendum by a wide margin, with 2/3 of all votes in favor.
And yet it was still enough to put DDR ahead of West “Let’s have former Nazi judges sentence gay people under laws passed by the Nazis” Germany.
Props for wanting to learn but damn you should do that first before talking shit
I can name the majority of capitalist countries that are homophobic, far outnumbering any communist ones
Yes and capitalist countries also just far outnumber communist countries.
here’s a brief history of the increase in queer rights in cuba
Name one country that isn’t homophobic and transphobic.
Exactly, they’re all homophobic and transphobic, but liberal counties so far have a better track record of pushing the envelope.
I would argue that Western progress in regards to LGBT rights is less related to liberal ideology, and more so a temporary byproduct of the prosperity that was gained through exploitation of the global south. We can see this progress deteriorating in real time as this prosperity is starting to subside.
Edit: Liberalism, capitalism as a whole, are fundamentally based on competition and unequal distribution of wealth. Competition means there will always have to be both winners and losers, anyone can make it, but not everyone can make it. Capitalism means that someone will go empty. And in a society comprised of many different groups of people, as soon as there’s not enough for everyone, it will be the weakest groups, the minorities, who will be the first to get kicked off of the lifeboats.
I 100% agree with your critique of capitalism. It plays a zero sum game.
And actually you’ve made a really smart compelling point - even if liberalism is technically about the personal freedom to be trans, it also largely allows the personal freedom of someone else to discriminate against trans people.
So liberal ideals might have lofty aspirations about trans right, it’s a lot of feel good without actually protecting them.
Thank you for your input, you’ve changed my mind on some things.
What is your opinion on the massive U.S. Industry around “gay conversion” and “troubled teen” camps?
Absolute atrocity.
Okay, I think neopronouns are dumb, but I will write out every single neopronoun ever created on paper over and over until I have each and every one memorized, if it meant gay conversion camps were all shut down and banned in exchange.
idk, considering that families disowning kids is a massive problem in terms of queer well being, it seems to me that a right to housing is a pretty important thing and the socialist states are way more consistent than liberal states on that one.
This is another compelling point.
It’s tricky because, for example, Russia does pretty well on housing rights, but very awful on LGBT rights.
And Cuba seems to be doing better on both fronts.
You must be fucking blind if you think thats the truth
I’m open to being corrected. Which communist country pushed the envelope on human rights protecting LGBT people?
Pronouns are fine, y’all took it to a level that looks like alt-right satire of pronouns.
Trans rights are human rights, but am I literally Hitler because I don’t think “comrade” or “fae” make sense when used as pronouns?
You seem very rational and not at all unhinged.
Some people use neopronouns. Get over it. I think they’re a bit weird too, but so what? If addressing something with weird pronouns affirms their gender identity, then fucking do it. Pretty much everyone I see complaining about neopronouns starts advocating for thanks genocide 5 min late. Consider that that is what you look like now
Cool, this is a chance for you to have a new experience and meet someone different.
I’m Apollo. I think neopronouns are stupid and come from a place of privilege and boredom.
I will never advocate genocide. I denounce genocide of any people, for any reason, as a war crime and an act of evil. I believe trans people deserve human rights, the right to medical procedures to transition, and the right to their desired gender pronouns.
So here is it, I will probably always say neopronouns are stupid, but agree that people have a right to be silly without fearing their well-being or health or safety because of it.
At least we agree that grammatical gender is a spook
Plenty languages don’t have “sex” based differentiation of pronouns, in so far the real neopronouns are things like he, him, she, her (which even in languages that have them became pronounced only in the last few centuries in the way you use and know them).
I quote Wikipedia here and give a list of languages which do not differentiate like you want them to:
Differenzierung nach Sexus Sprachen ohne Sexusunterscheidung
Viele Sprachen kennen (teilweise ursprünglich) beim Pronomen der 3. Person Singular keine Unterscheidung nach dem Geschlecht des Referenten:
Einige Beispiele solcher Sprachen sind:
Durch Einfluss europäischer Sprachen haben einige der oben genannten Sprachen ein weibliches Pronomen eingeführt.
Im Hochchinesischen beispielsweise geschieht dies durch die Verwendung eines anderen Schriftzeichens (她) für das Pronomen der weiblichen 3. Person Singular (deutsch „sie“) seit dem Beginn des 20. Jahrhunderts. Die Aussprache bleibt dennoch identisch wie die des Pronomens der männlichen (ursprünglich geschlechtsneutralen) 3. Person Singular (他), sodass diese Unterscheidung in der gesprochenen Sprache nicht existiert bzw. nicht erkennbar ist. Des Weiteren wird 它 in der Volksrepublik China für Tiere und Sachen benutzt. Außerhalb der Volksrepublik China findet man 它 für Sachen, 祂 für Götter und 牠 für Tiere. Alle diese Schriftzeichen werden tā ausgesprochen. Auf Taiwan wird 妳 als weibliches Gegenstück zum allgemeinen Pronomen der 2. Person 你 verwendet. Beide Zeichen werden nǐ ausgesprochen.
I think you’re responding to the wrong person, I was just quoting them to dunk on them
(Though Id never considered how “normal” pronouns could be considered neopronouns themselves, so thanks for that <3)
Oh yeah, def wanted to answer the person posting above you, but happy it had some result :)
I argue the point that neopronouns are not gender pronouns.
Yes, gender isn’t real and can be whatever you want. In my opinion, male/female/nonbinary covers enough base. All neopronouns can fit under nonbinary.
Ableism, which tracks. Chill out a day Fae.
Do you have an issue with hexbear’s pronoun tags?
Not an issue per se, but it reads like an alt-right satire of leftists.
The only reason I think it might be genuine is that I haven’t seen an attack/helicopter yet, and I know alt-right trolls would absolutely not be able to resist even if it gave the whole gig away.
Actually had enough conversations to know it’s genuinely a communist instance and not an alt-right troll farm.
Also found out that because I think neopronouns are silly, I am a hitler particle emitting fascist that’s 5 minutes away from commiting genocide.
So I’ll see you in 5 minutes I guess.
What do you think of the decision to incorporate trans women athletes into women’s sports?
ah a transphobe, funny how all these people reveal the same colors whenever they pretend to care about china
Omg somebody sent a transphobic response and I missed it? I’m a true ally now somebody come give me my cookie and Lenin medal
I said that neopronouns are silly, I’ve learned that this means I am a transphobic liberal fascist that emits Hitler particles and puts me 5 minutes away from commiting genocide.