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    Its a 6 sided bear, the peak of the polygonal phylogeny.

    Monomouse

    Duodugong

    Traye-aye

    Quadferret

    Pentacoyote

    Hexbear

    Heptaherpeton - this is the furthest we’ve discovered in the polygonal phylogeny but research indicates the likely existence of an octorca as well

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      Octoria are scientifically impossible, the grazing territory requirements alone for a sustainable breeding colony would be immense. Any reports of them in the wild are either misidentified pairs of quadferrets copulating, or hoaxes perpetuating the psuedoscience.

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        quadferrets copulating

        That’s where you’re messing up. Those are pentacoyotes, not quadferrets. The contact side between two polygonimals mating is actually obscured, so the actual number of sides in a copulation configuration is the sum of the sides of all involved polygonimals - 2. Therefore the octorca could not be two mating quadferrets, but could be two pentacoyotes, or a chain of duodugongs.

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          Youre quite right, rookie mistake by me. You would think a Polyphylogenonomist would know better.

          However, wouldnt it be more accurate to say that the actual number of sides in any given copulation configuration containing n polygonimals would be n*(sides per polygonimal)-(n-1)? Assuming we exclude tricopulations of hexbears where any given individual may be contacting two other individuals’ sides at the same time in a tessalation layout? I must admit im not certain though, my field is polyphylogenomics, not polyphylogenomatics. Im sure there are some edge cases Ive missed, pardon the pun.

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            My bad, I was thinking in terms of simple intraspecies pairing like they taught us as undergrads. Once you get into polypolys and tessellations the math is frankly beyond me. Well spotted though.

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    my problem with this thread; u can’t tell who is actually communist and authoritarian, and who is just authoritarian

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      They don’t give a shit about worker enfranchisement - they’re all right wing fascists, it’s just that some of them are red-coded.

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          Not every right wing extremist caused the holocaust, and besides, if you compare all right wing extremists with the nazis at their peak power, you could also consider yourself a stalinist for downplaying his actions by simplifying history as some people I disagree with

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            If you compare right wingers with little power to left wingers with little power you get mass shooters vs mutual aid enthusiasts.

            If you compare right wingers with a lot of power to left wingers with a lot of power, the fascists have a spectacular kill count and the left wingers are less bad than the bourgeois democracy baseline.

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      Leninist/Stalinist/Maoist/“Left” Authoritarian Communism is just authoritarian nationalist state capitalism that uses classist rhetoric instead of (or as well as) racist rhetoric.

      And before people call me a tankie: Anything authoritarian is trash-tier shit.

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      The difference is whether you get sent to a concentration camp or a gulag.

      Oh, I guess they are pretty similar…

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        Uh, depending on the concentration camp, not really.

        I don’t want to defend gulags but they didn’t have poison shower rooms or child corpse disposal staff.

        Working your slaves to death sometimes, sure, but you mostly came out the gulag alive.

        Broken, but alive. Historians estimate that of about 20 million people sent to the gulags about 1.5 million died in them.

        Which is a horrific example of compliance through terror but not quite the same thing as an extermination program.

        Don’t minimize the Holocaust on your way to agree with everyone else that tankies are delusional assholes.

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          Just for information the death count of gulags is largely unknown. Russia itself says its 1 million but pretty much all other sources say its too low to be even believable. There are credible sources for 1.5 to 8 million deaths (also non-credible sources that go much higher). Unfortunately unlike the nazies, soviets did not really have record keeping at all so all sources are estimates based to prisoner and guard writings. Another factor that makes estimates hard is the practice of when a prisoner was near death they would be shipped home, a lot of those never made it home but don’t count as killed by a gulag.

          There was also mass deportations from satellite states that weren’t sent to gulags presumably but that’s a different thing.

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          I don’t want to defend gulags but they didn’t have poison shower rooms or child corpse disposal staff.

          Neither did concentration camps:

          "Interned persons may be held in prisons or in facilities known as internment camps (also known as concentration camps). The term concentration camp originates from the Spanish–Cuban Ten Years’ War when Spanish forces detained Cuban civilians in camps in order to more easily combat guerrilla forces. Over the following decades the British during the Second Boer War and the Americans during the Philippine–American War also used concentration camps.

          The term “concentration camp” and “internment camp” are used to refer to a variety of systems that greatly differ in their severity, mortality rate, and architecture; their defining characteristic is that inmates are held outside the rule of law. Extermination camps or death camps, whose primary purpose is killing, are also imprecisely referred to as “concentration camps”."

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internment

          Don’t minimize the Holocaust on your way to agree with everyone else that tankies are delusional assholes.

          The singularity of the Holocaust lies in the extermination camps, where millions of people were murdered with industrial efficiency:

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extermination_camp

          Saying that concentration camps exist(ed) in other countries is not Holocaust relativism.

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              No, I don’t know which ones “he” meant, because nobody mentioned Nazis, and apparently you still haven’t understood the difference between concentration and death camps, and assuming everyone here is male is also kind of yuck you know.

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                Sure bro. You’re making an honest argument in a comment chain that has used the phrase “authoritarian nationalist state capitalism.”

                Fuck all the way off, this isn’t Facebook, people know what you’re doing.

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                  This comment chain doesn’t have the words “authoritarian nationalist state capitalism.” in it, and you don’t know shit about anything, go back to facebook.

                  I’m also not your fucking “bro”, asshole, get lost.

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    I saw what I think was a post by an admin asking if lemmy world should defederate with hexbear and I don’t recall ever seeing hexbear posts or super trolly or racist or commie posts/comments. I’m with you, op. I have no idea what’s going on, and I suspect it’s better that way.

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    Think they’re way overhated, yes some of the users can troll a bit too much but they’re generally fine and I appreciate that they help stomp out fascist, racist, and anti-trans rhetoric on Lemmy.

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      I honestly have no idea what they stand for. Their posts are so confusing and non coherent. I’m sure a lot of it is because sarcasm doesn’t work with text unless you have context. But without context, all it comes across as is a bunch of trolls who just love to hate

      I couldn’t care less about them

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        They’re a left wing group that uses a lot of sarcasm and trolling. It can be a bit off putting to most but a lot of it comes from the fact that most people don’t bother reading or looking beyond US propaganda so it can be frustrating talking to people like that. Personally I try to come at things a bit more openly but I can understand the frustration of dealing with people that don’t put in much effort to understand the nuances of geopolitical topics.

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        They are a tossup of ccp communists, hard left leninists and general anti westerners. They constantly bully people to remind them that they are smarter than you and they are eager to showcase this. They post screenshots of comments they want to target on their main page and links so they can brigade. If you even bother interacting, they will spam you with the intent of getting you to peer into their carefully chosen pieces of information to steer you toward communism. They are a nuisance and i have learned that if you can easily bait them into saying awful things.

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          Their whole stance is bizarre. It would be like if I believed every country should be democratic, but if any non-democratic foreigner asked me about it I said, “well I’m not going to even talk to you until you’ve read every bit of democratic theory, and even if you do, I’m not going to admit or discuss any criticism of democracy. Also, you are evil for just being born in your evil country.” They can’t possibly expect to convert anyone that way.

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        It’s not. The Chinese government is an abusive autocracy that doesn’t respect the “rights” of its people and answers to nothing and no one other than Xi and profits and power. Those three things are king.

        Marxists and fascists are two sides of the same coin. They may have somewhat different end goals, but they’re alike in having zero regard for the democratic will of the people. May every Hexbear troll be accursed.

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          I wouldn’t say classical Marxists could be equated with fascists but most people nowadays who call themselves “Communists” are fascist at heart.

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            Authoritarian, yes, fascist, no. We need the term fascist at the moment to call out actual fascists, diluting it by using it label people who aren’t fascists but are also problematic plays directly into the misinformation the fascists thrive on

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              Exactly, I’m getting sick to death of the overuse of the terms fascism and nazism because they’re being used to describe everyone with a totalitarian bent. Yes, the GOP have fascistic tendencies, so it’s apt, but the real operative word to use in pretty much all of these cases is authoritarianism. And whether they’re [actual] fascists or communists, authoritarians are reprehensible. The Nazis were irredeemable but—and I say this as a socialist—so were the Soviets.

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        I don’t support messages like that but I’ve seen similar messages from racists and fascists from other instances too, does that mean every instance where a small portion of the users DM fucked up shit should be defederated?

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      They openly brigade submissions and comments on other instances and harass anyone they don’t agree with. It’s not just some of the users it’s almost entirely the point of the community existing. Their comments are almost entirely sarcastic, and add nothing to conversation or even debate.

      Feel free to show us one single instance where they “stamped out fascist, racist, [or] anti-trans rhetoric” because I don’t believe you.

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        https://lemmy.one/post/2831169 Think I linked this right (haven’t tried since I switched to voyager). I can have more later this week if you want but it’s Labor Day weekend here and im drinking with family and you said literally one instance.

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          That’s a dead link bro edit :actually, what’s weird is the hyperlink is broken but the link itself seems to be working when you copy the text of your link.

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      I was called a bigot by 7 or 8 different people because I dared to suggest that when someone finishes transitioning, they are no longer trans.

      They are a man or woman, or whatever else they identify as.

      That made me a bigot.

      They don’t help stomp out anything, they turn people against trans people. They literally give conservatives ammunition.

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        I believe trans refers to gender assigned at birth, so unless someone detransitions or time travels to change their birth gender I don’t think fully transitioning can make you not trans.

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          Trans people continuing to call themselves trans after transitioning is an entirely different topic.

          My point is that I accept trans people.

          Someone wanting to call themselves trans after transitioning, in no way, justifies calling me a bigot. That is the most braindead way to try and influence change in the world.

          Hexadytes are cancer. They’re cancer here, they were cancer on /r/chapostraphouse.

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    Edge lords who couldn’t handle someone telling them they were wrong, so they had big sook and defedederated after a day.

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    A large part of it is a fanbase of Chapo Trap House which has a particular brand of humor that is rampant with esoteric inside jokes that are vulgar as a point, let alone to the extreme.

    That humor, especially without that frame of reference, usually offends your average internet denizen.

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    You know, Bob Altemeyer wrote a book about rwa, if anyone’s not read it, it’s illuminating. At this juncture, I’ve had way too much Nazi authoritarian propaganda, I’d like to hear the other, and be free to ask questions and form my own opinions. That hope was doomed from the jump, and I should’ve guessed.

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      Eh, I thought the same, but then after reading their comments, it’s like going from one authoritarian extremist ideology to another authoritarian extremist ideology. Especially when both pro Nazis and pro commies seem to both boil down to being just pro Putin fanatics. I’m wondering if the propaganda doesn’t come from the same place trying to capture both spectrums.

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        If you’ve read the book, hard right authoritarianism and hard left authoritarianism are both right wing authoritarianism.

        Eta: oh wow. That’s insane.

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      Because, Id wager, their userbase is primarily edgy leftist teenagers, really kind of like if 4chan was left and not right.

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        Can confirm, was an edgy leftist teenager on hexbear right when it was started – after r/chapotraphouse was banned.

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        They’re so far to the left I don’t even consider them left anymore. They’ve fully wrapped around to be indistinguishable from the right (but not racist so much as intensely totalitarian).

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            When did I say I was minimizing the Holocaust?

            I’m saying that both are authoritarian. Both are incompatible with Democracy and the current rules based international order, which when working correctly can prevent genocide from occurring (i.e. if the UN peacekeeping missions actually do their job).

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              rules based international order

              What rules? Who do I report the USA to for repeatedly violating all of the rules and killing millions of people around the globe?

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              When did I say I was minimizing the Holocaust?

              You are equating them. Read the link from the mainstream Jewish holocaust scholar to understand why that’s holocaust trivialization.

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                the Bogus moral equivalence of the Holocaust has been from the time of the actual massacres the myth that the Jews were all Communists and got what they deserved because Communism was every bit as genocidal as Nazism. Hence what the Jews call the Holocaust is a kind of opposite and equal reaction to the first genocide, the crimes of Communism.

                First of all, this was not what I was implying. I never said that Communists were equally as genocidal as Nazis, nor that I deny that the Holocaust occurred. Putting words in my mouth is arguing in bad faith.

                I am saying that the Tankies on the left support the same type of authoritarian policies that are prevalent on the right. While actions like, for example, the Tiananmen square massacre are not as large in scope as the Holocaust, accepting the CCP party line on the issue is antithetical to human rights, just as any massacre is. Supporting authoritarian regimes that do this is, in fact, just as bad regardless of whether the party is “left” or “right”.

                Did the Holocaust occur? Yes. Did it result in the death of millions of Jews at the hands of the Nazis? Yes. I’m not disputing any of these facts, so please do not suggest that I am denying the Holocaust.

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                  You literally said this

                  They’ve fully wrapped around to be indistinguishable from the right

                  You are free to retract this. Could you say for me “Communists are in no way morally equivalent to fascists”?

                  Also to be clear I’m accusing you of trivializing the holocaust not denying the holocaust.

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    I’ve read all the comments here and still don’t have a clue what a hexbear is

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      It’s a lemmy instance full of edge lords who are pro-totiltarian communism. The bulk of them think Mao and Stalin were good. Deny any atrocities committed by USSR/China. Also, for some reason tend to be super pro Russia. Due to NATO being on the opposite side they support Russia and call Ukrainian/NATO nations Nazis.

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      Instance is hexbear.net, check it out for yourself, doesn’t work in browser for me without an account but it does work in liftoff without one for some reason.

      It is weird that a lot of commenters here want to tell you what they are but don’t say how to find this information by yourself.

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        Then they might find out the “they’re all just tankies!” line is a lie, there’s shitty people on all instances, just so happens this one leans very left beyond neo liberalism and therefore it’s bad!

        Throw in that they all totally support Putin and Mao and don’t really support LGBT! And you’ve got most normies nodding along with defederating

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      So you know the Lemmy instance Lemmy.world? Well, there is another instance called hexbear… Which is full of hardcore, Stalinist communist. And every user of every other instance hates them

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        Ah. So like the famous lines „everything that touches the light“ „what about the dark spot over there?“ „don’t ever go there“

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        Why do people always put labels on them as if that’s the reason they are idiots. It’s not. There just a bunch of obnoxious trolls that have made it their mission to annoy other instances.

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              Fearful that a high-level national hero might be killed, Soviet officials banned Gagarin from participating in further spaceflights. After completing training at the Zhukovsky Air Force Engineering Academy in February 1968, he was again allowed to fly regular aircraft. However, Gagarin died five weeks later, when the MiG-15 that he was piloting with flight instructor Vladimir Seryogin crashed near the town of Kirzhach

              Commies smh

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          There’s nothing inherently wrong with Marxism though (not that you said there was, I just get the impression some people are calling them socialists as if it’s inherently an evil thing), they’re entitled to their opinions on an alternative to capitalism, it doesn’t make them bad or weird people.

          I gather from what I’ve read here that people mostly don’t get along with them because they are awful, terrible people (and honestly may not even be proper Marxists but maybe just posers, using it as a perfunctory label, idk).

          I’d gladly be friends with a Marxist, but friends with an authoritarian, or a xenophobe, etc? Absolutely not. Regardless of their other political or economic opinions.

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            I’m an anarchist myself, so marxists are my brothers and sisters. So far, I’ve only seen displays of great inclusiveness from them (apart from telling me to fuck off, lol). However there’s a lot of different types over on hexbear, some of them definitely being angry edgy teenagers. Still, definitely not a xenophobic bunch. I feel the general sentiment isn’t warranted.

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              Similar experience. Great experiences until saying something that gets misconstrued due to lack of context and pitchforks come out. Then, some continue positive interactions and mods step in to curb unwarranted hostility. Still, despite getting singed a bit, it’s overall been incredibly inclusive.

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        “ And every user of every other instance hates them”

        This doesn’t even rise to the level of pseudo intellectual.

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    I think it may be referring to the people who blame all social ills on “corporate greed” and think that belong leftist is exclusively being anti-capitalist. I think this may go along with some pro-Putin/pro-Xi viewpoints, possibly because they believe that “the west” is bad and capitalist, Andy anyone who opposes it is anti-capitalist and good.

    I’m glad I know who these people are, so I can be more careful of them. Both here and on Reddit it felt like I was trapped in a bubble with these guys.

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      Tankies are politically incomprehensible, because they claim to be queer-friendly communists, but support insanely queer-phobic bourgeois dictators like Xi and Putin.

      They are vulnerable to the same online radicalization as alt-right bubbles. They say things that get increasingly insane, because it gets them more and more internet points and attention, until they start believing their own outrageous hyperbole.

      For example, I have one tankie currently trying to unironically argue with me that the UK is a vassal state to the US Empire. Like we’re living in Star wars and he’s the rebel alliance that is bringing down with evil empire with lemmy shitposting.

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        For example, I have one tankie currently trying to unironically argue with me that the UK is a vassal state to the US Empire.

        Why are you posting your Ls lmao

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          I mean, he’s making the US sound 100x more badass than it actually is. Who’s taking the L there?

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              Bad at losing because you’re a global hegemony that pulls all geopolitical strings.

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                  It’s funny to trace rhetoric back a few years before the Russia-Ukraine war, when there was so much Internet and social media hype over Russia as a superpower, their military overtaking America:

                  https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Russia military US before%3A2020

                  Then suddenly there’s the invasion, and suddenly it’s revealed that the hype was all fake, Russia was bluffing on its military, they are mostly poorly trained, with ridiculously outdated equipment.

                  And suddenly tons of internet media commentators do a massive 180, and there’s so much rhetoric about how being a global superpower is bad.

                  Is being a global superpower bad, or do people say it’s bad just because Russia isn’t one after all?

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        At this point we need to assume they’re Russian shills and the queer-friendly stuff is a ruse to have a fallback to always claim the moral high-ground

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          2 years ago

          I 100% believe there’s Russian shills in the mix, but I think most of them are normal people who are frustrated with the status quo, and vulnerable to aome targeted manipulation. It’s also exactly how Russia targeted the alt-right.