Americans assuming everyone else is from America and knows everything about America.
The American mind cannot comprehend this.
Americans can’t see this comment chain.
Edit: or should I say “Ameri-can’t see this comment chain”
But if Americans can’t see this comment chain, how USA-ful is it to the discussion?
Idk I’ve had the impression that this is not as bad here as it was on the place that shall not be named.
It is. I still wish it “Politics” would default to WorldPolitics" and USPolitics was it’s own thing, instead of the other version where Politics and News is US stuff and the general topics need the “World” prefix.
Lemmy.ml has US Politics as a comm, and World News as a comm.
Fair point.
You should ask your instance about that, bc right now it’s just mirroring the US-centric reddit trend where the politics community is all just US-specific politics. Same for news, etc.
It’s better than on Reddit, which was usually justified by “it’s an American site”, but it’s definitely still here and annoying on Lemmy.world.
Well, I also have the feeling that most people here are from the U.S. or Germany. And I only identify the latter as such, because of their usernames. Not sure if I’m right, but I surely feel isolated on Lemmy at times.
Here in Europe there are a lot of country-specific instances (e.g. feddit.de or feddit.nl). I can confirm the German one has quite a lot of members and some large German subreddits moved to Lemmy when the blackout happened. Germans are quite privacy focused in general with a generally higher Firefox market share and a lot of shops only accepting cash (not proud of the latter haha)
Oh, die Bargeldsache geht mir auch auf den Sack. Fühle mich nach jedem Auslandsaufenthalt als wäre ich 20 Jahre in die Vergangenheit gereist * g *
Fühle mich nach jedem Auslandsaufenthalt so, als wäre ich 20 Jahre in die Zukunft gereist lol
feddit.de is dead, long live feddit.org!
or Germany. And I only identify the latter as such, because of…
…ich_iel?
Reverse for me.
Talking about an American politician.
In a thread about American politics.
In a community about American politics.
On an American instance.
Cue 200 “UGH WHY IS EVERYTHING SO AMERICA CENTRIC WHY AREN’T YOU TALKING ABOUT EEEEUUUUUURRRRROOOOOPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPE” butthurt comments.
Or just the random snarky shit they think is so clever.
“America, are you okay?” for the 500th time is not clever, just like it wasn’t the first couple hundred times it’s been posted.
Yeah, it’s contextually appropriate most of the time. I doubt there are many American users posting American politically specific ideas on posts about non-american politics.
The only real validity to this complaint would be an overabundance of posts regarding American politics; to which I would say, down vote those and post your own. I, for one, promise not to be upset.
I’ve done my best to include °C conversions of all my °F. What more do you people want.
Since we’re here, I had covid one time and had to shop online for stuff that came in ounces, quarts, pints, and liters, and even without brain fog, I can tell you that comparing prices and sizes against apples, oranges, and furlongs (⅛ miles (≈⅕ km (but this is an argumentum ad absurdum))) is the most unsatisfying garbage that has ever been.
In conclusion,
what ifGoddidbless America?Wait we still don’t have a bot for that?
Honestly imo lemmites are better at this than any other social media site.
Same but with being fluent in english.
Like nobody is “dumb” for not being an expert at speaking English, let alone just speaking 😭
I make sure to list any weights and measures in both US and metric.
I also try to include a fair amount of content focused on other parts of the world.
Lemmy is small enough that even though I’m guessing it is majority US, that it is likely less US-centric than most social media. It’s just good to have some stuff for everyone, and I know I like to learn about things outside my country, so I want non-US focused content myself on a regular basis.
Regarding weights and measures:
I don’t think in metric, and there’s a strong possibility that I never will. I came of age in an educational system that taught metric units alongside imperial, but also in a day-to-day world that heavily skews towards imperial units.
If I see metric units that I can’t immediately interpret in my head, it’s absolutely trivial for me to get the conversion by other means. It’s equally as trivial for someone who uses metric to make the opposite conversion.
Anyone losing their shit about it is acting performatively.
The triviality is what makes me just do it myself. If I’m the one sharing something to a global audience, it makes more sense for me to do it once than to have everyone else go do it if they need to.
I was talking in another thread today, possibly one in response to this one, or at least one similar, and I basically said I want Lemmy to succeed, and my content is easy to source, but getting regular visitors and commenters is the hard part, so I’m willing to do a little pampering to positively reinforce my “guests,” especially at this stage of the game. It’s just some extra consideration, to show people I’m being thoughtful of them, and to make it feel like a place they can come to get facts without having to google them all the time.
My big issue with Lemmy at the moment is I think we’re testing what level of civility we’re willing to give to and to tolerate from others, and I don’t see as many commenters being helpful to each other and I feel mods are scared to steer conversations back to more polite conduct due to the overbearing rep of Reddit mods. So I’m just trying to be the example of what I want to see. That’s the real thing I’m looking to provide. The unit conversion is just a slice of that you could say.
I still have people downvote over nothing or make smartass comments occasionally, but I can’t prevent it all. I’ll do what I can though to make things pleasant and positive for who I can.
I agree with all you’ve said, and I tend to add both systems when expressing a meaningful measurement. My statement is pointed more towards situations where someone hasn’t done so and it throws some poor soul into a meltdown.
Yes, it is a strange thing to make a fuss over.
The one that gets me is when people complain about paywalled articles. I agree it doesn’t make sense to share one, but this is a tech savvy group here, and I kinda expect 95% of people to know how to deal with that by now. Even mainstream sites have shared how to get around that stuff long ago now.
I don’t put the conversions in my comments, usually because I don’t even post measurements in my comments, but if I did and got a reply asking for it, I’d tell them to go ask Google.
Americans assuming ‘America’ means ‘U.S.’
Canadian here. “American” means from the US. People from the rest of the continent don’t care. They’re the ones with the dumb country name that doesn’t have a more obvious demonym. But we’ve all collectively agreed that that’s what it’s called.
If you want to refer to someone from South America you say South American. If you want to refer to someone from North America you say North American.
Most americans (IE the americas, which include central and south america, and the carribbean), really dislike the usonians usurpation of the term “america” to refer solely to the United States, which really only started in the early 1900s as the US got really forward about its imperialist interests. You’re only hearing “americans mean only US citizens” from the nation that excludes most americans.
Counterpoint: there is no continent named “America.” “North American,” “South American,” and even “Central American,” or “Latin American,” for added specificity, are completely sufficient demonyms for the denizens of the continents (and subreigon) writ large.
Very true, all the more reason why we shouldn’t allow one country in the americas to lay claim to the term.
The US doesn’t even have most of the most populous cities in the americas
Non-American here: In English it typically does. The collected landmass of North and South America (or just the continent, if you consider them to be a single one) is usually called “the Americas”
This isn’t a hard-and-fast rule of course, and with all the different dialects of English out there I’m sure there are some that work differently. I assume you prefer “US” or “USA” as a short name for the country?
I, as an American, write “The US” the refer to the country specifically to avoid confusion. But there’s not really another good demonym that’s not an slur. “Estadosunidenses” is too much of a mouthful and “Statesman” has another meaning.
It always feels odd to me that the Spanish demonym specifically is that when Mexico is also “Estados Unidos Mexicanos”, or the United Mexican States
But there’s not really another good demonym that’s not an slur. “Estadosunidenses” is too much of a mouthful and “Statesman” has another meaning.
Usonian?
How would that be pronounced?
Like “Usonian”, not like “USonian”, I’d guess? Flat U, non-“yoo”-ed; stress on the O; the “nian” more or less like “nyan” but 'murrically less cute.
TIL that this architectural style came from Frank Lloyd Wright’s use of this neologism, which seems to have originated with Scottish writer James Duff Law in 1865. And, that people have been trying to make this change happen for over 150 years. (Seems to me a review of the tale of King Canute and the tide is in order.)
Hey, I love calling my Canadian friends “my fellow Americans” or saying “hey, we are all Americans here!”
And I think they really like it too! 🤣
I’ll say it again, if you don’t like the demonym of “American,” feel free to refer to us by our state and territorial demonyms instead.
I think a large portion of lemmy is too focused on making lemmy popular. Fake engagement and posts that nobody cares about don’t create engagement. Instead, more focus on just enjoying lemmy would ironically lead to better posts and discussion. Likewise, people post the same articles to the same communities seeking engagement. It leads to dupilication which waters down the discussion, ironically, also leading to less engagement. I think federalised communities, as has been discussed would be a good solution. However, it strikes me that they don’t want to miss out on karma, for some reason. So, short term gain, for long term hassle of multiple posts. If some of the most prolific posters posted to the most relevant community and cross posted elsewhere, then maybe communities would coalesce more.
An example of this that really bothers me: I joined several gaming munis because I like to talk about games. But there are people out there who feel that a gaming muni should be about the games industry, and so those munis are just a constant stream of gaming news articles, patch notes, and trailers. Mostly with completely barren comment sections. What I wanted was the social experience of chatting with people about games. I don’t care about (as a random example) the latest Helldivers 2 patch notes.
I think less of an emphasis on having a steady stream of content and more on only posting something that you believe is worthy of discussion would be so much better. If people want to see literally every rockpapershotgun article, they can subscribe to their RSS feed.
Yeah. I find that a lot of comment sections are rather empty and some people who are there are really bad at discussions.
I try to comment on things so there is engagement and conversation. Without engagement, this is just a collection of bookmarks.
But it’s kinda up to us to create that. Somehow. Sometimes even just a quip or shitpost comment can sort of open the floodgates.
The way I see it, people shouldn’t post things unless they have some discussion they want to have about that thing. They shouldn’t post just because it’s news. I’d be fine with Lemmy having far less frequent new posts if those posts were all created by people who were legitimately trying to share something rather than just generate content.
What I wanted was the social experience of chatting with people about games.
There’s !letstalkaboutgames@feddit.uk
I joined with the Reddit exodus and there were so many communities that were a straight copy of a subreddit. No discussion, just posts - yuck.
What I wanted was the social experience of chatting with people about games. I don’t care about (as a random example) the latest Helldivers 2 patch notes.
Please yes this. It’s good to see gaming related news but largely I just want to nerd out about the games themselves. Of course I should be told to just post my own damn content, but I have admittedly never been good about creating OC.
I don’t know what would get me to comment more than patch notes for an incredibly popular game thousands of people are playing. So either bad example or I have no idea what you want in a gaming sub.
Does a book club meet up to just talk about what their favourite authors tweet about, or what new book is coming out soon in a series they like? No. They talk about what artistic choices they like and don’t like in the books they read, what emotions those books evoke, what other books they remind them of, etc.
I think part of this comes from wanting a broader base of content, which I agree with. The rest seems to come from wanting the downfall of Reddit, who is in my rearview mirror so I don’t care.
We are currently like old Reddit, a techy, mostly progressive, crowd. That means a lot of uni-topic content.
When there are 10,000 users, and 5 of them are into sewing, the sewing community is dead. When there are 100,000 users, and thus 50 interested in sewing, content starts to form. You can see where this goes from here.
Coalescing into massive communities is a mixed bag. Putting all your eggs in one basket makes them more vulnerable to rogue moderators, sudden loss of a server, the need to defederate if the host server gets compromised, provides a more attractive target for bots, and other bad actor things.
Yes it would improve ease of use and make Lemmy more newbie friendly, and it can be frustrating to have conversation splintered. Lots of times I’ll comment on an empty story at the top of my new feed only to find a lively discussion a little lower. That’s all frustrating, I agree. It’s also, I think, the nature of federating.
If multiple different news communities are thriving despite posting pretty much the same content, there are reasons for that. People can pick just one to subscribe to, and they don’t all pick the same one. That tells me there is something about each one that makes them attractive to different people.
I think it can really hurt smaller communities, though.
Ultimately a kind of uber cross posting that hides away the technical bits. I’d definitely love that. Or at least if I as a user could specify multiple communities for a post, and from a ux ui perspective it remains a single post.
Then again one could argue that subscribers should simply follow multiple communities and that solves the problem, too and it already works. So just avoid cross posting altogether.
I’de love to see a bit more discussions about Linux.
Right? People hardly mention Linux 'round here lol
Seriously, I don’t even know who that guy is
Tim Linux. He’s a good guy.
Lol fuck off.
Might be a hot take, but Lemmy Culture is good, actually. It isn’t homogenous, instances have unique cultures that might fit your needs and interests better.
I wouldn’t change that, federation and defederation does bring drama, but it also brings really cool micro communities.
I like that it is more inclusive than the DUMBster fire that is reddit.
While it is very left leaning, because the entire world is left leaning, other views so get presented and debated (and downvoted), but they are not filtered out and insta-permabanned. It is way more engaging.
other views so get presented and debated (and downvoted), but they are not filtered out and insta-permabanned. It is way more engaging.
this is my favorite quality of the lemmyverse; you’re not required to follow the groupthink out of fear of being banned and the plethora of viewpoints guarantees that groupthink isn’t as powerful as it is on reddit or twitter.
It’s important that the discourse is visible and thoughtfully debated (as possible).
you’ll be lucky to get thoughtful debate in this country; our discourse is devolved into looking for a chance to dunk on the other person to enrage them enough to quit. the trick to getting anything out of it is to keep your cool.
the absolute best thing on Lemmy is seeing someone complain about an instance that your instance defederates from
Lemmy.ml does have both advantages and disadvantages being federated with almost every major server, for sure.
what are the disadvantages?
Not a fan of the takes the average visitor from more right-wing instances brings, sometimes it’s nice to deliberately pick a smaller instance with like-minded people.
Social media becomes less addicting and less debatebro-ey.
i don’t like seeing it either, but cocooning yourself into an echo chamber doesn’t help thing at all.
I disagree, actually. I never have productive conversations regarding Marxism, for example, with liberals. Opinions being diverse does not necessarily mean they add value to conversations.
Still, I have multiple accounts of the same name, I use when I want to talk to different people.
i never expect the conversations to be productive, especially with liberals; but i don’t find that the discourse forces me to re-evaluate my views and it usually strengthens them.
Personally I’d like to change the fact that every memes comment section is just serious conversation. Where’s the whimsy, where’s the tomfoolery folks
Be the silliness you want to see in the world. Start a pun thread or a switcharoo or all the things that used to make the old place fun. Lots of people will take that bait and run with it.
Thats what me and my 7 alts do
And those 7 alts has different password right? Right?
It’s time to be silly then :3
Yeah. I’ve seen so many rabidly political responses to memes. Lighten up folks!
I had to go back to my feed and check but I actually get very little in the way of meme posts. That may be the way I have my feed filtered though. I would welcome quality memes, but I also may be starting to age out of what is being created at this point
The smug self righteous attitudes in the comments. People here need to loosen up and stop being deathly serious about things.
It seems like everyone is here to have snarky little “I’m more right than you” arguments.
I think its a hangover from twitter, that you also see a lot in mastodon. One-upmanship seems more suited to user-following platforms where gaining social cred is more important for spreading ideas than the quality of the content.
Currently in one of those rn
I am extremely offended by this and you are evil for making me feel offended! How dare you! Everyone, flock to me with messages of support and shun this person for saying something so offensive!
I can’t be evil I use Linux and only FOSS programs.
Yes, but how much carbon emissions were released by this comment?
I second this!
100%. People seem to be competing for some moral high ground constantly no matter where.
Hot and Active feeds pull in a lot of things that are up to 2 days old, but by 12-24 hours at the most, nearly all conversation is done. It’s not nearly as rewarding to interact with posts on those feeds when so few people are even looking at them.
If everyone saw the same feeds, that might be something because maybe the conversation would continue, but I’m pretty sure that’s not the case due to federation.
Its been a focus of mine to try to make lemmy’s comment sorting the opposite of the reddit experience, where the highest rated comment is nearly always just the first one, making all engagement after those first few minutes pointless.
The active sort does a good job of bumping new activity on older posts (limited to 2 days) back to the top. There’s also a
New Commentssort that doesn’t have that 2-day limit (making it basically a forum sort), but I don’t know how many people use it.Not sure what else we could do tho, the main problem is probably just the smaller number of users. Which needs to be tackled by convincing reddit communities and their mods to move them over to some lemmy instance.
This is a great comment, thank you. Very good links.
Do you know how federation affects the sorts? I assume, based on my longer experience with Mastodon, that the All feed is actually just all of the posts that have been federated to my instance i.e. someone on my instance is subscribed to that community. So any communities no one on my server is subscribed to are invisible regardless of sort.
That implies the All feed is unique to each server, and therefore all of the sorts are also unique. Which would mean for at least a certain percentage of posts, they might be in your hot or active feeds, even though no one is really interacting with them much any more.
What do you think? Maybe it doesn’t work as much like Mastodon as I think, but since it’s all the same fediverse it feels like a logical assumption.
Put simply, the sorting / ranking is based on the score and the time published, so as long as things are getting federated within a few seconds, then federated posts / comments are no different from local ones. Mastodon only sorts things by newest AFAIK.
That implies the All feed is unique to each server, and therefore all of the sorts are also unique. Which would mean for at least a certain percentage of posts, they might be in your hot or active feeds, even though no one is really interacting with them much any more.
Should only be an issue if your server blocks other ones.
So is the All feed actually all communities and not just ones federated to your instance by virtue of someone on the instance subscribing? That was really the crux of my question.
Ah, this is completely different and has nothing to do with sorting.
Allmeans the latter, IE communities connected to your instance, that your instance knows about. Lemmy doesn’t crawl anything, federated communities need to get subscribed to first, then posts can start coming in for them.Yes but also no. Because if the contents of All are unique to each server, that has some implications for which posts appear in the various sorts, right? Maybe I’m overthinking and the effect is minute, but I feel like in at least some cases it would mean less active posts could squeeze out more active posts.
Its best to just think of them as separate to keep it clear. Sorting affects all posts (federated or not) in the same way.
Its been a focus of mine to try to make lemmy’s comment sorting the opposite of the reddit experience, where the highest rated comment is nearly always just the first one, making all engagement after those first few minutes pointless.
I think your strategy for going the opposite than reddit works quite well when it comes to comments. However, I don’t think it fits so well with posts (not sure if the strategy/sorting for posts and comments use the same methods). Personally I don’t feel great seeing posts older than 24 hours, especially as I have probably already seen that post. It’ll just stick around for way too long.
The Hot and Scaled sort shouldn’t be showing anything that old, try changing your default post sort to that for a bit.
Active will do what you’re saying tho, keep bumping things.
Could there be a one-click way to automatically ‘import’ a Reddit subreddit over to a Lemmy community? Meaning, create it, import the sidebars, welcomes, rules, graphics, etc. so it looks familiar to regular users. If not, at least a step-by-step tutorial on how mods could do it.
Another option would be to provide something like a crossposting Chrome or Firefox extension that lets people simultaneously post content to both Reddit and Lemmy. Give them a smooth transition path.
Lastly, the Bluesky concept of ‘pluggable algorithms’ is one way to make it so users can choose whatever sort works best for their interests.
There are a few import tools written to import historical posts, which is the main difficulty. Copying and pasting a sidebar markdown, re-uploading images would take a max of like 10 minutes.
I intentionally kept historical imports out, since Reddit is blocking APIs under the guise of limiting AI scraping.
My main point was setting up an easier way for low-tech mods to set up a parallel community, then nudge users to move over.
I agree with Dessalines that moving the sidebar takes 10 minutes.
Feel free to join !fedigrow@lemm.ee if you want to discuss how to grow communities
Reddit’s mod interface isn’t an easy one to use, so they’d probably have an easier time over here. If they can click an upload image button, and copy paste, they should be okay.
Hot and Active feeds pull in a lot of things that are up to 2 days old, but by 12-24 hours at the most, nearly all conversation is done.
that’s why i’ve switched to “new”
I prefer using the “scaled” feed rather than “active”. It’s like active, but boosts posts from smaller communities, and seems to usually surface newer content.
This will likely be an unpopular opinion here, but if you thought reddit was politically opinionated, holy hell Lemmy is 1000 times worse. I’m left leaning myself, but the majority of the posters here make me look like a moderate. There are even times when the rhetoric I see is approaching the level of toxicity I see from right-wing internet goers.
Fewer political in general is what I want, but it would be nice to see some actual diversity of opinions. Echo chambers are good for absolutely no one.
I absolutely feel the same. Notice how you had to point out you’re left leaning? That just shows how militant and aggressive Lemmy can be that you have to state that just in case.
I like Lemmy, I just wish it was a little less stubborn (and I say that as a left leaning person).
This will likely be an unpopular opinion here, but if you thought reddit was politically opinionated, holy hell Lemmy is 1000 times worse.
That’s largely because few people choose Lemmy over Reddit for practical reasons, the real underlying reasons are generally political and ideological differences with Reddit.
I’m left leaning myself, but the majority of the posters here make me look like a moderate.
The majority of Lemmy users (outside of liberal instances like Lemmy.world) are leftists of some sort, ie Marxists or Anarchists. Lemmy’s federated structure and FOSS nature make it appealing to anticapitalists, and the lead devs are Marxists.
There are even times when the rhetoric I see is approaching the level of toxicity I see from right-wing internet goers.
Kinda? People with strong beliefs strongly challenge different beliefs.
Fewer political in general is what I want, but it would be nice to see some actual diversity of opinions. Echo chambers are good for absolutely no one.
You’re not going to find a place devoid of politics unless you make an instance banning all talk, and even then people will dance around the subject. Everything is political.
As for “echo-chambers,” I actually disagree. As a Marxist, I have far more productive conversations with other Marxists about Marxism than I do with liberals. Diverse thoughts don’t necessarily mean productive conversations.
As an in between social dem and Marxism I feel like generally people here are pretty cool with most opinions but leans left significantly. There is still lemmy.ml, hexbear and lemmygrad that is very toxic and an echo chamber.
As an in between social dem and Marxism
I think that’s the source of most of your problems, really. There isn’t really a coherent ideology that can be described in that manner, Marxists don’t believe the state can be reformed into Socialism and Social Democrats don’t think Socialism is necessary.
I feel like generally people here are pretty cool with most opinions but leans left significantly. There is still lemmy.ml, hexbear and lemmygrad that is very toxic and an echo chamber.
Pretty much every instance can be described as an “echo chamber.” Lemmy.world is right-leaning and is dominated by Liberals, for example. Hexbear is anti-sectarian, meaning Marxists and Anarchists are allowed, just not liberalism. As for toxicity, I find Hexbear to be one of the least toxic, especially when compared to Lemmy.world.
All in all, Lemmyis definitely going to continue to be predominantly leftists unless instances outright defederate from Marxists, like Lemmy.world does, hence the current right-wing leaning.
Hexbear is anti-sectarian, meaning Marxists and Anarchists are allowed, just not liberalism. As for toxicity, I find Hexbear to be one of the least toxic, especially when compared to Lemmy.world.
Gonna have to disagree with you there pretty heavily. Maybe there’s a different experience as an Anarchist vs a Marxist but, while I like conversing with a good number of Hexbears, I’ve found that the the instance is incredibly toxic with the cultivated “dunking” culture rewarding participating in insular, anti-social behavior for Internet clout and mods participating in sectarianism by disingenuously labeling non-ML leftist voices and critical historical analysis as fash.
I’ve found that the the instance is incredibly toxic with the cultivated “dunking” culture rewarding participating in insular, anti-social behavior for Internet clout and mods participating in sectarianism by disingenuously labeling non-ML leftist voices and critical historical analysis as fash.
Depends on what you consider leftist, I suppose. As a community, Hexbear isn’t toxic at all, just firmly anti-liberal. There isn’t really a culture around “dunking,” at least not in my experience.
If I want a struggle session, I go on Lemmy.ml, if I want to relax, Hexbear is more friendly. At least, that’s my personal experience, as a recovering debate-bro.
Perhaps there’s been some changes - that would make me extremely happy. I had generally good experiences initially but saw more and more attacking of users not from Hexbear or .ml instances, frequently over nothing but misunderstanding or miscommunication with no quarter or space for clearing up misunderstanding given even to other anticapitalists. It got to the point where I blocked the instance due to the negative impact on my own well-being that I noticed from the unnecessary strife and aggression that I saw and experienced. To be fair, some of it could be misperception and/or RSD on my part as one who is neurodivergent and frequently concerned about being misinterpreted or unintentionally phrasing something incorrectly.
At least, that’s my personal experience, as a recovering debate-bro.
That’s awesome. There are some great and chill comms there - maybe I might to reconsider the instance block and be more judicious in blocking only comms where I find problematic behavior. The only other instance that I have blocked is that sports one that was clogging up my feed with stuff that I find boring.
I’ve found that the the instance is incredibly toxic with the cultivated “dunking” culture rewarding participating in insular, anti-social behavior for Internet clout and mods participating in sectarianism by disingenuously labeling non-ML leftist voices and critical historical analysis as fash.
It might make contextual sense to browse it from Hexbear. There’s a ton of activity on it for the size of the userbase, and a lot of it is fun, comfy, and chill. The news threads are always more serious, and there is the dunk tank, but those are parts of a whole.
Four point on lemmy. I have some comments the between social dem and Marxism line though.
Well… I think public private partnerships are the way to go with profit sharing and workers being a part of the decision making process. I also think a lot of industries should be handled by the government or have a government company that is strictly non-profit. People should also have the choice of a free Internet connection if they don’t want to pay for high speeds and public transportation should be free and good. Social housing should be built in massive quantities and nimbyism should not outweigh the benefits of the people.
Taxing negative effects on people via pollution should be taxed out of existence. Natural resources should be state-owned and work for the benefit of the people. Compaign donations should be illegal and loopholes should be closed.
These are all policies that are Marxism inspired but they still keep the capitalist element and a market economy. I think a market economy can be good but really needs a firm hand to guide it so it doesn’t fuck everything up.
I believe that this area of policies should be explored more and instead of just saying “Marxism is best” then think about what an economy with 70%-90% collectively owned would look like.
Well… I think public private partnerships are the way to go with profit sharing and workers being a part of the decision making process. I also think a lot of industries should be handled by the government or have a government company that is strictly non-profit. People should also have the choice of a free Internet connection if they don’t want to pay for high speeds and public transportation should be free and good. Social housing should be built in massive quantities and nimbyism should not outweigh the benefits of the people.
This is what I am talking about, actually. You’re currently talking about what you want, without analysis of how to get there. That’s why Marxism is incompatible with Social Democracy. Marxists don’t believe you can simply vote that into existence in a system where Capitalists have.all of the power.
Taxing negative effects on people via pollution should be taxed out of existence. Natural resources should be state-owned and work for the benefit of the people. Compaign donations should be illegal and loopholes should be closed.
Lots of shoulds without discussing how to get there.
These are all policies that are Marxism inspired but they still keep the capitalist element and a market economy. I think a market economy can be good but really needs a firm hand to guide it so it doesn’t fuck everything up.
It’s not really Marxist inspired, though. It erases all analysis of Capitalism, all philosophical aspects, and all of the revolutionary aspects of it. Social safery nets are good, but that’s not necessarily borne from Marxism. Simply thinking a market economy can be good is already far off of Marxism.
I believe that this area of policies should be explored more and instead of just saying “Marxism is best” then think about what an economy with 70%-90% collectively owned would look like.
I think this is ultimately born from a lack of engagement with Marx’s works, really, though I could be wrong. What have you read from Marx?
I like the ideology of socialism where workers control the means of production but I think a revolution will always put the power in the hands of the few as a by-product. I agree with Marx on a lot of points, but I also disagree with him on others.
Rest assured that this is my own opinion and I seriously thought about it over a couple of years and came to my own conclusion. You can frame the conclusion simply as this:
Capitalism does a lot of bad, capitalism also does a lot of good (think cheaper food production and more investment into equipment for productivity). So there are two solutions. Remove capitalism or remove the bad. In my opinion removing capitalism is a surefire way to remove the bad but will also remove the good. Removing the bad from capitalism is a lot more complex and turns a sprint into a marathon but I think the end product will lead to a more equitable society that’s genuinely controlled by the people.
That’s my personal opinion.
I like the ideology of socialism where workers control the means of production but I think a revolution will always put the power in the hands of the few as a by-product. I agree with Marx on a lot of points, but I also disagree with him on others.
Historically, Socialist revolutions have done dramatic shifts towards democratization of production.
Capitalism does a lot of bad, capitalism also does a lot of good (think cheaper food production and more investment into equipment for productivity). So there are two solutions. Remove capitalism or remove the bad. In my opinion removing capitalism is a surefire way to remove the bad but will also remove the good. Removing the bad from capitalism is a lot more complex and turns a sprint into a marathon but I think the end product will lead to a more equitable society that’s genuinely controlled by the people
Cheaper food production and investment into machinery is a core part of Marxism, achieved via central planning. Removing Capitalism doesn’t remove these aspects.
Secondly, you don’t mention at all how you will convince the ruling class to give you these concessions, it isn’t a marathon, it’s pushing a boulder up an infinite mountain.
Thirdly, you have not at all explained why Capitalism is more controlled by the people, the point of Capitalism is profit in the hands of the ones who hold the Capital. Democratically controlling production via Marxism makes far more sense.
It’s fine to have a personal opinion, but Marxists are going to have similar criticisms of your opinions.
Some of the rhetoric here after the attempted assassination on Trump was really terrible.
I’ve been a big left winger for years but I still think wishing death on others who are politically opposed to you is absolutely awful. These are people who who claim to be on the moral high ground but who are apparently quite unaware of how hypocritical they sound.
Can you imagine what these same people would be saying had the assassination been made on Biden instead of Trump?
Sometimes it’s quite apparent how little there is that seperates us from the animals.
I’d like to see fewer angry communists. Regular communists don’t bother me, but don’t be so aggressive about it.
Where are you finding non-angry Communists, except in Communist spaces where we don’t have to argue with liberals all the time?
Not on Lemmy, hence it’s what I’d like to change.
Hexbear.net is generally pretty happy until a liberal walks in.
I think I have that instance blocked.
You may, or your instance may not be federated with them. You can browse it anonymously or make an account that is federated with them if you want to see it.
My instance doesn’t block it, but I blocked it with the recent feature added in 0.19.3 or 4, give or take. I think I got tired of seeing the angry people.
They usually aren’t angry, in my experience.
happier communists? do you mean slrpnk.net?
Eh, solarpunk itself is an aesthetic, not an ideology. As such, like cottagecore and other aesthetics without ideological backing, there does exist a subset of ecofascists and ecofascist adjacent ideologies.
Hexbear.net fits “happy communists” better.
disagreed! there is an aesthetic but there is also separately an ideology, and ecofascism is certainly not welcome on (e.g.) slrpnk.net. solarpunk as an ideological movement is essentially climate-focused indigenous futurism with an anarcho-socialist bend
solarpunk as an ideological movement is essentially climate-focused indigenous futurism with an anarcho-socialist bend
That’s not a coherent ideology, that’s an aesthetic pulled from a ghibli-inspired milk commercial, which again reveals how an aesthetic can get taken advantage of by right-wing interests if there is no strong ideological framework.
There’s no call to action, no theory to set to praxis. There is a goal, but no method to get there. Like all such movements, its doomed to fail the way the Owenites did.
I love environmentalism and solar energy, veganism and self-sustainability. However, solarpunk as an encompassing “movement” is not the path there, as it’s an aesthetic.
This is written like someone that hasn’t kept up with solarpunk since that commercial came out.
What theory and praxis has come out since then?
Idk why you think it has to have theory or praxis to be a movement. It does have a manifesto but I kinda doubt you care about that. There’s enough people that are interested in the topics that solarpunk encompasses to give it legitimacy.
Tbh your position is kinda disenfranchising to people that got into gardening, anti consumption, diy, gurilla grafting or any other facet of solarpunk because of it being under the umbrella.
you’re welcome to check out solarpunk thought leaders like andrewism! though i have to admit i doubt anything anywhere will ever meet your standards
Solarpunk isn’t an ideology though, it’s an aesthetic that can be molded depending on the views of those using it. I never said good people can’t use solarpunk to push a good message, I said there’s nothing stopping people from using Solarpunk to spread a bad message.
that’s the conversation we’re having, isn’t it? i’d say solarpunk as an ideology predates solarpunk the aesthetic. che guevara shirts are sold in stores, after all.
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I wish people would stop treating people from instances as a monolith.
This coming from a tan— oh. Yah.
Haha got a giggle out of me.
Folks also often confuse lemmy.ml with lemmygrad.ml
Especially lemmy.ml users.
Stop needlessly shitring on Windows, iOS and MacOS.
Recently there was a post about Wallmart blocking privacy features on iOS when connected to their wifi.
And the comments spoke about how if you are using Apple, you should not expect privacy anyway, implying that Android is a bastion of privacy. Which tunred into an annoying thread and deflected critisism from Wallmart.
I have seen other threads when people are asking for help with Windows or Mac OS issues and the comments talk about how Linux is much better.
That is kinda like, asking your friends for help after spraining your ancle, and them suggesting amputating the entrie leg replacing it with a far more powerful cybernetic robot leg, that doesn’t help you.
I am an IT guy, I just want my computer to work and let me game, manage and edit photos, watch videos, and listen to music, my current Windows 10 machine works fine for me.
I don’t want to tinker when I am home, I have tinkered enough at work managing 365, reading logs, writing scripts and pulling cables.
When I feel that Linux is working well enough, I will switch, but that is up to me, I am not interested in how I can configure my computer to my exact specification, I want a decent computer that I can run the same install on for 6-7 years with updates before upgrading or reinstalling. So far has Windows provided that, Linux has not, I have dailied both.
Sorry for the rant…
My lemmy experience got so much better when I blocked any community that talked almost exclusively about anything linux related.
Same here
Lol fuck windows
I doubt you’ll enjoy the experience…
They paywalled my condom so I had to raw dog
Huh
Something I like about lemmy is that I can pick out this comment (or a sub comment) and sort by controversial.
Popcorn time - Upvotes all round!
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Sure, I believe you, Apple is scummy, every huge corporation is scummy, but I still belive them to be less scummy than Google when it comes to privacy
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iOS’s security is far superior to Android’s in several of the ways that matter
It’s fine if you love open stuff; I do too. But being ignorant about the drawbacks isn’t advocacy; it’s just ignorance.
Very subjective. iOS isn’t even in the running for any of my needs
That said, any time and old person or Luddite adult asks for a computer suggestion, I always tell them “if you don’t mind overpaying, get an Apple PC/tablet/whatever or the cheapest iPhone you can find”. Apple limits its users so much that it is perfect for those folks need a device that protects itself from them. Disclaimer: I work in a tech field, so I rarely see the people around me using iOS devices.
I was limiting things specifically to security. E.g. iOS uses encryption for local personal files, and attempts to use strict security as far as what apps are allowed to do instead of a single “yes do whatever / uninstall app” dialog at the beginning (refusing to use background apps to use the camera + network + etc). It wasn’t a general comparison.
Android also encrypts the user data by default since Android 10 (2019).
Android also has different permissions the apps need to ask for just like iOS. Including not allowing background apps to use the camera/GPS/mic by default.
Hm, maybe I am misinformed then. I haven’t used Android in a few years and I just remember being very struck by how enthusiastic iOS was, when I started using it, about smacking down apps that wanted to do something sketchy and how absolutely appalling were the app permissions choices I was faced with on Android.
Android also has fantastic notification controls on a per app basis compared to iOS. I can pop into settings and disable an apps “Marketing” channel, but continue to allow it to have its “Important notifications” channel for example.
Here’s Nextdoors notification channel settings:
I can disable any one of these channels independently, and then it goes a bit further
Tapping on a channel also allows you to set individual settings, maybe I want NDs “Announcement” notifications, but I want them to be silent, but maybe I still want them to popup on screen while I’m actively using my phone
Ofc, it’s still dependent on individual apps to implement their side properly, but when they do its amazing
You’re thinking of install-time permissions, which technically does still exist, but pretty much most of the permissions you’d actually care about are runtime (or special) permissions - the application must request these from the user.
There are three main types of permissions on Android:
- Install-time, these are permissions granted to an application upon installation
- In this group is also signature-level permissions, which are only granted to applications that are signed by the same party as the OS itself (usually your OEM)
- Runtime permissions (also known as “Dangerous permissions” within Android internally), which are permissions that the application must request from the user. The system draws the permissions dialog, not the application itself. Permission can also be granted one-time only, or permanently (unless the user revokes the permission)
- Special permissions, which also need to be requested by the application - except for these the system will not draw a permissions dialog, instead the application must send the user to the “Special App Access” menu within system settings, and the user must turn on the permission there. The best way I can describe these types of permissions is, “permission that the user really must think about before granting” - such as giving an app the ability to bypass DND rules, drawing over other apps, installing APKs from unknown sources, accessing all device files, etc. IIRC, Google also requires that developers provide justification for requesting these permissions when submitting to the Google Play Store as well.
Runtime permissions were introduced in Android 6.0, which was released in 2015, I am not sure when the special permission system was implemented however.
- Install-time, these are permissions granted to an application upon installation
I have used both extensively, and that is my impression as well.
Out of the box, iOS seems far more secure than Android, but as you say, you can tinker to the end of time with Android to get it to a point where it is more secure, I just don’t have the time or patience to do so.
fewer reposts from reddit, fewer reddit copycat communities, fewer redditors.
100%. I don’t know why people, who are presumably banned from Reddit or left Reddit for reasons, want bring over the same garbage they left for.
I’d love people on Limmy would quit posting links to Reddit.
I’d love people on Reddit would start posting links to Lemmy
Didn’t mods/admins throw bans at people doing that? I don’t recall because I’ve not been on Reddit for a good while.
You actually get downvoted anyway
More witty and funny answers in the comment section. Out of thousands of commenters you could get a few gems that make you ‘spit your coffee at the screen, goddamn you’.
Just put a lot of salt in your coffee. Problem solved.
Right now, Lemmy seems very tech-focused - which is understandable, as it’s mostly tech geeks that use this platform. I’d like to see a wider variety of interests here, more things outside of technology/Linux/Star Trek/etc.
If we want Lemmy to become more popular, we need to appeal to the mainstream Internet users.
It’s the inverse that is true actually -
As Lemmy becomes more popular it will drift from being so tech focused.
Many popular sites gradually drifted off of tech focus as their user base grew. R*ddit is a prime example of how a very nerdy niche site grew and shifted to be popular (sorta) organically.
I do think that for all the hullabaloo about Ellen Pao and banning a bunch of subreddits - that actually did more to open the place up to users who were otherwise driven away by /r/FatPeopleHate and /r/Jailbait being on the front page all the time.
If Lemmy were to change to attract users it would likely be from increased defederation with instances that are less palatable to mainstream society.
I think an important step to making Lemmy more popular is making sure it actually shows up in search engines. I don’t know enough to say how though
The objective ought to be more engagement, not more users.
If lemmy goes from 200 posts about Linux a day to a thousand posts about Linux a day, I will leave. Fuck that shit
Hey, good to see you here.
If we want Lemmy to become more popular, we need to appeal to the mainstream Internet users.
I was thinking about it the other day, I feel like the vast majority of Internet users are now on Facebook/Instagram/Tiktok/Twitter/Discord depending on their age and demographics.
Text-based forums are probably not appealing to most of them
Text-based forums are probably not appealing to most of them
That’s a good point.
